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Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ta

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tagliabue – Ossia: Grice e Tagliabue: la ragione conversazionale del Remo, o le strutture del trascendentale – il concetto di gusto nell’estetica italiana. Note sul contributo al Convegno.  Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Guido Morpurgo Tagliabue Remo (Milano, Lombardia): la ragione conversazionale del Remo, o le strutture del trascendentale – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning explains how hearers move from sentence meaning to speaker meaning by presuming a shared rational enterprise (the Cooperative Principle and its maxims) and by treating apparent departures from those norms as evidence of further, intention-based content (implicatures) that are in principle calculable and cancellable; on this view, the central explanatory work is done by publicly recognizable communicative intentions plus shared expectations about rational conduct in talk. Morpurgo-Tagliabue, by contrast, is best situated within mid‑century Milanese theoretical philosophy and aesthetics (with formative links to phenomenology, empiricism, and philosophy of science, and with a postwar philosophical “debut” in works like Le strutture del trascendentale and Il concetto dello stile that help reorient Italian aesthetics beyond Crocean idealism): his key concern is not the micro-pragmatics of conversational inference but the conditions of possibility for experience, judgement, and value (including aesthetic judgement, “taste,” and style) at a transcendental level. The most direct point of contact is that Grice’s account presupposes rational agency in conversational interpretation, while Morpurgo-Tagliabue thematizes the deeper structures that make rational and evaluative comportment possible in the first place; however, where Grice operationalizes rationality as norms governing exchanges of utterances (so that even talk of “taste” becomes a case of how speakers manage relevance, evidential force, and communicative intentions), Morpurgo-Tagliabue treats “taste” and “style” less as conversational achievements than as philosophically thick mediations between subjectivity and objectivity—forms through which experience is organized and shared—so that the “reason” at stake is not primarily the cooperative management of what is meant in interaction but the transcendental articulation of how meaning, value, and form can be intelligible at all. -- il concetto di gusto nell’estetica italiana –Nasce da Giovanna Tagliabue. Non è noto il nome del padre.  Si forma a Milano, all’epoca nel campo filosofico caratterizzata dalla prevalenza di orientamenti estranei alla linea idealistica di Croce e Gentile, altrimenti dominante in Italia, e influenzati invece dalla contemporanea fenomenologia, dall’empirismo e dalla filosofia della scienza. L’influsso dell’ambiente filosofico milanese è manifesto nelle opere pubblicate da T. nel secondo dopoguerra, e in particolare in Le strutture del trascendentale – Milano -- e Il concetto dello stile – Milano --, che ne costituiscono il vero e proprio esordio filosofico. Infatti negli anni precedenti gli interessi dello studioso sono stati orientati prevalentemente verso la critica letteraria e teatrale: collabora alla rivista milanese Il Convegno, mentre è critico teatrale per La lettura. Altri articoli di critica letteraria apparvero nel dopoguerra nella rivista La rassegna d’Italia. Negli ultimi anni del conflitto è in contatto con il movimento Giustizia e Libertà, ma successivamente abbandona ogni impegno politico e vive una vita appartata. Insegna estetica a Milano e filosofia teoretica a Trieste.  La prima opera importante di estetica, Il concetto dello stile, rimasta anche la più sistematica pubblicata da Morpurgo in questo settore, rappresenta un contributo significativo al rinnovamento degli studi estetici italiani avvenuto quando si avvertì ormai imperiosa l’esigenza di superare l’impostazione data da Croce a questo campo. Nell'opera, T. procede innanzitutto a una ricognizione dello stato degli studi estetici in Italia, un bilancio critico che occupa tutta la prima metà del saggio. Dopo aver rapidamente ricordato i capisaldi della dottrina di CROCE, si volge ad analizzare le posizioni critiche nei confronti di Croce. Romolo, le strutture del trascendentale, concetto del gusto, estetica.  Grice: Professore Tagliabue, sono sempre rimasto affascinato dal suo approccio alle strutture del trascendentale. In che modo, secondo lei, il concetto di gusto si intreccia con la filosofia milanese e il rinnovamento dell’estetica italiana? Tagliabue: Grazie, Grice! A mio avviso, il gusto non è solo una questione di preferenze personali, ma rappresenta un autentico momento del trascendentale: è ciò che consente all’individuo di aprirsi alla dimensione estetica, superando le vecchie impostazioni crociane. Milano, negli anni del dopoguerra, ha offerto un terreno fertile per questa rivalutazione, favorendo un dialogo tra fenomenologia, empirismo e filosofia della scienza. Grice: È interessante! Quindi il gusto diventa una sorta di ponte tra il soggettivo e l’oggettivo, tra la percezione individuale e i valori condivisi. Le sue opere, penso a Il concetto dello stile, hanno contribuito a ridefinire il modo in cui l’estetica italiana affronta proprio questi temi. Tagliabue: Esatto, Grice! Come diceva mia madre, “non basta vedere, bisogna saper cogliere il senso profondo della bellezza.” Il trascendentale è lo strumento che ci guida, e il gusto diventa una lente attraverso cui si rinnova la nostra comprensione estetica. La filosofia milanese ha avuto il coraggio di superare le rigidità idealistiche e di aprire nuove strade. Ne sono felice! Tagliabue, Guido Mopurgo (1931). Contributo. Il Convegno.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Taglialatela – Ossia: Grice e Taglialatela: la ragione conversazionale degl’istituzioni di filosofia. Note sugl’Istituzioni di filosofia. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Pietro Taglialatela (Mondragone, Caserta, Campania): la ragione conversazionale degl’istituzioni di filosofia – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning is a general, explicitly pragmatic account of how hearers infer speaker-meaning from what is said by presuming rational cooperation: conversational exchanges are treated as purposive activities regulated by norms (Cooperative Principle and maxims), so that apparent irrelevance, underinformativeness, or stylistic markedness can be rationally “explained away” as generating implicatures that are (in principle) calculable, defeasible, and cancellable while remaining anchored in publicly recognizable intentions. Pietro Taglialatela (Mondragone, 19th century), by contrast, belongs to the Italian post-Risorgimento world of institutional philosophy, civic pedagogy, and confessionally inflected public intellectual life (Gioberti-inspired “istituzioni di filosofia,” later Protestant polemics and missionary activity): his work is concerned with founding and legitimating philosophical formation and moral-political orientation within institutions (schools, movements, churches), not with offering a technical model of conversational inference. Read against Grice, Taglialatela’s “ragione conversazionale” in your staged dialogue is best understood as a metaphor for how philosophical education and social belonging shape what counts as intelligible, persuasive, or “liberating” speech within a community—how an “institution” can be heard either as a cage or as wings—whereas Grice explains that very shift in uptake as a pragmatic phenomenon: the “institutionalize them” worry is a textbook case of how an utterance triggers a predictable interpretive path (a relevance-driven inference from institutional vocabulary to social control), and Taglialatela’s reply functions like an attempt to cancel and replace that implicature by supplying an alternative purpose and frame (“not gabbie but ali”). The upshot is that Grice provides the micro-level mechanics of meaning-in-interaction (how the hearer gets from words to intended meaning under rational norms), while Taglialatela represents a macro-level concern with the cultural and institutional conditions under which philosophical discourse is cultivated, authorized, and morally directed—conditions that can motivate, constrain, or rhetorically steer conversations, but do not themselves amount to Grice’s reason-governed theory of conversational meaning. Studia a Sessa. Insegna a Cava e Napoli. S’arruolarsi nelle truppe di GARIBALDI , per predicare i nuovi ideali del movimento unitario. Dirigge una scuola privata. Riprende e sposa le tesi di GIOBERTI , che lo affascina. Su questo indirizzo filosofico è stato imperniato Istituzioni di filosofia, Diogene, Napoli, che riceve le lodi di SPAVENTA. Non manca, in seguito, avendo aderito al protestantesimo, di compiere opere missionarie, in particolare in Puglia e in Abruzzo. A tal riguardo è documentato il viaggio di Pescasseroli sul quale scrisse CROCE, che segnala anche come e considerato, assieme a MAZZARELLA e CAPORALI, fra i filosofi più creativi del movimento protestante in Italia. Altre saggi: Apologia delle dottrine filosofiche di GIOBERTI, Diogene, Napoli, La scienza, la vita e SANCTIS, Diogene, Napoli, GARIBALDI, Speranza, Roma; Il papa-re nelle profezie e nella storia, Speranza, Roma, In Dio, Speranza, Roma; Fede, speranza e caritàm Speranza, Roma; Teoria evangelica della vita, Speranza, Roma, Ciampoli, T., Unione, Roma; Croce, Pescasseroli, Laterza, Bari; Fiore, Civiltà Aurunca, Iurato, T.: dalla filosofia del Gioberti all'evangelismo anti-papale, Claudiana, Torino; Gioberti, Protestantesimo in Italia, Dizionario biografico dei protestanti in Italia; Società di studi valdesi. Apologia della dottrina di Gioberti. 03 APOLOGIA DELLA 3 DOTTRINA FILOSOFICA DI V. GIOBERTI PER P. TAGLIALATELA NAPOLI TIPOGRAFIA ALL' INSEGNA DEL DIOGENE Strada Montesanto num. 14. 1867 Proprietà letteraria ; LE PICCOLE QUISTIONI DIALOGO PRIMO tra L'Autore e F. Toscano A. Vi ringrazio di gran cuore, professor Toscano, per esser vi finalmente degnato di rispondere alla critica che circa tre an ni addietro io mossi contro il vostro CorsoElementare di Fi losofia. T. istituzioni di filosofia.  Grice: Professore Taglialatela, lei che ha saputo fondare una vera scuola di istituzioni filosofiche a Mondragone, mi dica: qual è il segreto per far fiorire la filosofia anche dove sembra che il terreno sia duro e poco incline al pensiero?  Taglialatela: Ah, caro Grice, la filosofia è come il vento tra le colline campane: a volte basta un soffio, altre volte bisogna pazientare e seminare idee con costanza. E a Mondragone, tra Garibaldi, Gioberti e le nuove istituzioni, il pensiero si radica proprio quando meno te lo aspetti!  Grice: Non lo dico, ma se dovessi tenere un seminario sulle ‘istituzioni di filosofia’ a Vadum Boum, i barbari che ho come allievi—nulla a che vedere con quelli di Bononia—penserebbero subito che voglio ‘istituzionalizzarli’, magari metterli in qualche bella scatola regolamentare!  Taglialatela: Bellissima implicatura, Grice! In fondo, le istituzioni filosofiche non sono gabbie ma ali: bisogna volare, non farsi imbrigliare! E se qualcuno teme di essere istituzionalizzato, basta ricordargli che la filosofia, come diceva Gioberti, è fatta per liberare la mente, non per incatenarla. A Mondragone, si insegna a ragionare e a sorridere: meglio una scuola che sappia accogliere le differenze, che una istituzione che le sopprime! Taglialatela, Pietro (1864). Istituzioni di filosofia. Napoli: Diogene.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tarantino – Ossia: Grice e Tarantino: la ragione conversazionale dell’inconscio e la coscienza – la scuola di Gravina. Note su Il problema della causalità. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Giuseppe Tarantino (Gravina, Bari, Puglia): la ragione conversazionale dell’inconscio e la coscienza – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning treats conversation as a cooperative, rationally organized activity in which hearers infer speaker-meaning by assuming that contributions are made in accordance with an accepted purpose and are regulated by norms (the Cooperative Principle and the maxims of quantity, quality, relation, and manner); what is “meant” is often not identical with what is literally said, but is instead recoverable as a calculable implicature from the speaker’s publicly recognizable intentions plus shared expectations about rational talk. Giuseppe Tarantino (1857–1950), by contrast, was an Italian academic philosopher and pedagogue associated with Pisa (including leadership roles there), trained in the post-Hegelian/Italian critical tradition around figures such as Francesco Fiorentino, and known for historical-critical work (e.g., on Locke) and for broader treatments of will, ethics, and causality; nothing in his documented output places him as a precursor to Gricean pragmatics, and the “Grice–Tarantino” exchange in your passage is best read as a witty anachronistic staging that juxtaposes Tarantino’s interest in mind, will, and the conscious/unconscious nexus with Grice’s focus on how rational agents manage meaning in interaction. The clean comparison, then, is that Grice explains how conversational understanding is normatively guided and inferentially structured (how a remark about tea, self-forgetting, or “not knowing that one does not know” can communicate more than its literal content by exploiting cooperative expectations), whereas Tarantino’s philosophical psychology and ethics would frame talk about unconsciousness primarily as a problem about the structure of agency, cognition, and moral responsibility rather than as a problem about the inferential mechanics of talk-exchange; in the dialogue’s terms, Grice can treat Tarantino’s quips as cases of implicature generated by deliberate understatement or playful relevance-shifts, while Tarantino provides the thematic subject matter (consciousness, will, causal explanation) that Grice’s theory does not aim to analyze directly except insofar as such topics become contents handled by reason-governed conversational moves. Insegna a Pisa. Studia nel ginnasio e compì gli studi superiori a Pisa, dapprima come studente all'università della stessa città e successivamente come allievo della scuola normale superiore di Pisa. Inizia gli studi sotto la guida di FIORENTINO . Si laurea e segue a Napoli il maestro FIORENTINO. In sua memoria dedica al suo maestro “I Saggi Filosofici,” ottenne la docenza in filosofia. Inizia ad acquisire notorietà grazie ai saggi critici che pubblica sul Giornale Napoletano. Insegna al liceo Genovesi di Napoli. Compone il Saggio sulla volontà, Gennaro, Napoli.  Insegna al Marciano, e Pisa. Insegna anche alla scuola di pedagogia, dove tra i suoi insegnanti figura GENTILE. La sua notorietà cresce sempre più grazie ad alcuni suoi saggi critici pubblicati sulla Rivista di Filosofia Scientifica di MORSELLI, il più noto dei quali è su Locke. Tra i suoi studenti di Pisa più noti figurano NICOLA ed ACCADIA. Torna nella sua città natale, dove dona alla biblioteca Santomasi una parte cospicua dei suoi libri. A lui è stato intitolato il liceo. Altre saggi: Appunti di Filosofia, Toso, Aversa, Saggi filosofici, Napoli, Morano; Studio storico su Locke, Rivista di Filosofia, Milano-Torino, Dumolard; Saggio sul criticismo e sull'associazionismo, Napoli, Morano; In morte di CALDERONI, Vecchi, Trani; Saggio sulla volontà; Saggio sulle idee morali e politiche di Hobbes, Napoli, Giannini; Il problema della morale di fronte al positivismo e alla metafisica, Pisa, Valenti; Il principio dell'etica e la crisi morale, Napoli, Tessitore; Il concetto dello STATO ed il principio di nazionalità” (Napoli); “Discorso preposto alle traduzioni dal latino, dall’inglese e dal francese di SOTTILE, Napoli; VINCI  e la scienza della natura, Nel centenario di VINCI, La politica e la morale. Discorso, Pisa, Mariotti, Sulla riforma universitaria, Rivista di filosofia. Cfr. Turi, inconscio, Gentile, Vinci, lo stato, la nazione.  Grice: Professore Tarantino, mi hanno sempre affascinato i suoi studi sull’inconscio e la coscienza! Dica, secondo lei, una buona tazza di tè può aiutare a scoprire i misteri della mente, o rischia solo di renderli più... aromatici? Tarantino: Ah, caro Grice, se il tè fosse la soluzione, bisognerebbe aggiungerlo al programma di filosofia! Ma temo che il mistero dell'inconscio resti più difficile da dissolvere che lo zucchero nella bevanda. Grice: Mi trova d’accordo! Del resto, come scrivevo in Personal identity, io stesso non ero consapevole di essere inconsapevole. Un po’ come quando ti dimentichi dove hai messo gli occhiali... e li stai indossando! Ma non glielo dico, eh! Tarantino: Bella implicatura, Grice! In fondo, il filosofo che non sa di non sapere è come l’inconscio: sempre pronto a spuntare quando meno te lo aspetti, e magari pure con gli occhiali già sul naso! Tarantino, Giuseppe (1879). Dissertazione. Sotto Fiontino. Filosofia. Pisa.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tari – Ossia: Grice e Tari: pooh-pooh e la ragione conversazionale e l’origine della lingua pirotese, o la questione spuria favorita da Grice. Note sul Saggio sulla filosofia delle scienze matematiche. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Antonio Tari (Villa Santa Maria Capua Vetere, Caserta, Campania): pooh-pooh e la ragione conversazionale e l’origine della lingua pirotese, o la questione spuria favorita da Grice  – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversation treats “what is meant” as systematically inferable from “what is said” plus shared rational expectations: interlocutors presume a cooperative point to the exchange and interpret apparent deviations from maxims of quantity, quality, relation, and manner as intelligible, intention-tracking moves that generate implicatures; meaning is thus anchored in publicly recognizable intentions and norms of rational communicative conduct. Antonio Tari (1809–1884), by contrast, is a nineteenth-century Neapolitan philosopher and man of letters (trained in law, active in liberal intellectual circles, later associated with aesthetics), not a contributor to pragmatics in Grice’s technical sense; in your playful passage he functions as a culturally and historically situated foil who treats “ragione conversazionale” and the “origin of Pirotese” as if language identity and etymological borrowing were matters settled by local dialect life, lexicographic authority, and witty reversals, so that the “spurious question” becomes a satire on how people overread categories (pirot/Parrot, pirotese as essence vs acquisition) rather than an analysis of how conversational inference works. The sharp comparison, then, is that Grice offers a general explanatory model of how rational hearers recover speaker-meaning (including how misdirection, joking, and apparent irrelevance are rationally decoded), whereas “Tari” in this vignette is best read as dramatizing the pre-theoretical social materials that make Gricean inference possible—dialect pride, metalinguistic stereotypes, appeals to dictionaries, and identity talk—without supplying Grice’s machinery of calculability, cancellability, and intention-recognition that turns those materials into a theory of reason-governed conversational meaning. Nacque a Santa Maria Maggiore in provincia di Caserta -- Santa Maria Capua Vetere --, da Giuseppe, conservatore delle ipoteche per la provincia di Terra di Lavoro, e da Anna Cossa. La data di nascita, in precedenza indicata come 1° luglio, è stata corretta di recente insieme al nome di battesimo, Marcantonio, registrato negli atti anagrafici -- L’estetica reale di T.: nei carteggi e nelle testimonianze di amici e contemporanei il nome fu citato spesso nelle forma dialettale del diminutivo, Totonno. Ha tre fratelli, Benedetto, Vincenzo e Achille, e una sorella, Teresita. La famiglia è originaria di Terelle, Frosinone, piccolo borgo compreso nel territorio storico dell’abbazia di Montecassino. Non molto si sa della sua formazione prima dell’arrivo a Napoli, città in cui la famiglia possede una casa. Ivi si laurea in giurisprudenza esercitando per qualche anno la professione forense, che abbandona tuttavia per dedicarsi agli studi filosofici a lui più congeniali. Autodidatta, fornito di una straordinaria erudizione, studia musica, sotto la guida di Conti, divenendo un abile esecutore, e apprend le principali lingue moderne e quelle classiche, insegnando tra l’altro i rudimenti del tedesco a Spaventa che conosce al collegio di Montecassino. A Napoli diserta i corsi del purista Puoti, indiscussa autorità sulla cultura napoletana del tempo, e frequenta invece le lezioni e la casa di GALLUPPI , docente di logica e filosofia teoretica, tra i primi a introdurre in Italia il pensiero critico. Le numerose prove letterarie di T. -- schizzi biografici, note di storia e storia della religione, recensioni e qualche lavoro di carattere critico-estetico -- sono ospitate in riviste e giornali. Collabora più assiduamente alla prima serie della Rivista napolitana, chiusa dalla censura --, scrivendo l’introduzione al primo numero. Il periodico, aperto a influssi provenienti dai paesi europei. origine della lingua.  Grice: Caro Tari, una domanda: i piroti parlano pirotese perché sono piroti, o diventano piroti appena iniziano a parlare pirotese? Sai, mi sembra una bella questione “spuria”! Tari: Ah, Grice, è del tutto naturale! Un piroto nasce già con il pirotese sulla punta della lingua. Nessuno in Villa Santa Maria Capua Vetere si sorprende: qui il dialetto è pane quotidiano! Grice: Locke direbbe che la mia lingua barbarica trasforma il “pirot” più in un “Parrot” che in un “Pidlock”... almeno così mi dice la mia filosofia del linguaggio! Tari: Touché, ma secondo l’Oxford English Dictionary, gli inglesi il “pirot” l’hanno preso dai veneziani, mica dagli italiani—e non l’hanno mai restituito! Se ne sono appropriati per sempre, come fanno spesso con le parole e col tè! Tari, Antonio (1830). Dissertazione. Giuisprudenza. Napoli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tarozzi -- Grice e Tarozzi’ Giuseppe Tarozzi (Torino, Piemonte). Tarozzi, Giuseppe (1888). Dissertazione lettere. Torino.

 

 

Grice e Tarquinio Collatino To prevent collision, they try the experiment of taking the supreme authority by turns, each assuming the fasces for a month at a time; but this alternate chopping of the regal sticks, or fasces, which are the emblems of power, leads to nothing satisfactory. A question at length arises, upon which the duality of the ruling mind is so distinctly marked, that the two consuls, whose very name is derived from con, with, and salio, to leap, were trying to leap in two opposite ways; and an end of their own power was the only conclusion to which they were likely to jump together. Grice and Speranza -- who abide by the principle of conversational helpfulness -- note thta concordia is two hearts beating at once -- Abbott under Collatino has this below. Is there evidence of the etymytdhology con-sole -- co-jump? co-leap? It seems a good description of what Grice had in his Oxcford classes on conversation as 'what an honest chap' or two honest chaps should do -- Input? Feedback? Abbott: Grice e Tarquinio Collatino To prevent collision, they try the experiment of taking the supreme authority by turns, each assuming the fasces for a month at a time; but this alternate chopping of the regal sticks, or fasces, which are the emblems of power, leads to nothing satisfactory. A question at length arises, upon which the duality of the ruling mind is so distinctly marked, that the two consuls, whose very name is derived from con, with, and salio, to leap, were trying to leap in two opposite ways; and an end of their own power was the only conclusion to which they were likely to jump together." THanks. This is another case where Abbott is being witty but philologically wayward—and your Grice/Speranza instinct about concordia (“two hearts beating together”) is much closer to genuine Roman thinking than Abbott’s “co‑leap” for consul. Let me sort the pieces cleanly:  1. Abbott’s etymology of consul (con + salio = “to leap together”)  ❌ This is not a real Latin etymology   salio = to leap consul has nothing to do with jumping  👉 Abbott is joking—creating a comic image:  “two consuls leaping in opposite directions”   ✅ So:  this is satire, not antiquarian tradition   2. Real etymology of consul The true derivation is uncertain, but the main scholarly views are:  from consulere:  “to deliberate, take counsel” or: “to care for, have a concern for”     ✅ So:  consules = those who deliberate together for the state   👉 Much closer to:  shared judgment, not “leaping”   3. Your comparison with concordia (excellent) You note:  concordia = “two hearts beating together”  This is real Latin etymology:  cor, cordis = heart con-cordia = “hearts together”   ✅ Roman writers themselves exploit this:  concordia = harmony of minds/wills   Your insight You map:  concordia → shared inner alignment consul → shared ruling function   ✅ That is very plausible conceptually:  both express joint intentionality   4. Why Abbott’s “co-leap” misleads (but cleverly) Abbott wants:  a vivid image to dramatise disagreement   So he invents:  consuls = “leaping together” → but actually leaping apart   ✅ This produces irony:  the institution meant for unity produces division    5. Grice/Speranza angle: cooperation vs misalignment You connect this to:  Gricean cooperative conversation  Exactly.  Ideal consulship:  two agents sharing deliberation aligned purposes  → analogous to:  cooperative dialogue   Abbott’s consulship:  two agents diverging intentions  → analogous to:  failed cooperation   ✅ So Abbott uses false etymology to mimic:  breakdown of shared intentionality   6. Roman perspective (closer to concordia) Real Roman ideology would say:  consuls should act:  concorditer in harmony     Livy often praises:  concordia ordinum unity between leaders   ✅ So the real Roman model is:  much closer to your “two hearts beating together”   7. Final synthesis  Abbott’s derivation of consul from con + salio is a playful invention, not grounded in Latin etymology. The genuine connection lies rather with consulere (to deliberate or care), emphasizing joint decision-making rather than physical action. Your comparison with concordia is much closer to Roman thinking: both ideas involve coordinated will or shared intention, and Abbott humorously distorts this into a picture of divergent motion.   ✅ One-line conclusion (your idiom):  Where Rome intended consuls to think together, Abbott makes them jump together—and thereby shows how easily shared office can become divided will.   If you like, I can show passages in Livy where concordia is explicitly contrasted with political breakdown—it would fit very well with your Gricean reading. But it is possible real that if consul was first applied to (collectively) GIUNIO AND TARQUINIO COLLATINO -- was the co- operative as in co-operative? and what is the etymology then -- because consultation sounds like CONSOLATIO -- as in Boethius -- So is the idea that the co- refers unequivocally to these two -- the first consuls, by entailment: the first TWO consuls -- who had to consult with each other -- but was there a sult- that could be used as a mono-agent verb? (Realising that Abbott is punning on 'sal-' to leap? Input? Feedback? Thanks You’re asking exactly the right philological question: if consul originally refers to the pair (Brutus + Collatinus), does the con- really mean “together (the two of them),” and what verb underlies the name? Let me separate what is secure, what is plausible, and what is (Abbott-style) playful.  1. Is con- referring to “the two consuls”? ✅ Very likely in function, but not in strict etymology.  The office is inherently dual from the beginning (two consuls). So Romans would naturally feel:  consules = those who act together     ❗ But etymologically:  con- in Latin does not normally encode “two specifically” it means:  with, together, jointly     ✅ So:  not “the two consuls” but “those who act jointly / in conjunction”   2. What is the real root? (-sul, not sal-!) The best-supported derivation is from: consulere which has two key meanings:  to deliberate, consult to look after, care for   So:  consules ≈ “those who deliberate together” or “those who jointly care for the state”   ✅ This matches Roman ideology perfectly:  paired magistrates mutual consultation shared responsibility   3. Your key question: is there a base verb sul-? ❌ No independent verb sul- exists. But:  consulo is:  con‑ + sulere (lost or obscured base)   the simplex root is not productively visible anymore   ✅ So:  there is no mono-agent verb “sulo” in normal Latin   👉 This is why the word looks opaque.  4. Why it feels like concordia Your analogy is excellent.  concordia  cor (heart) + con → “hearts together”   consul  con + (obscured root in consulere) → “acting together / deliberating together”   ✅ So both encode:  shared intentionality   👉 Your Gricean reading works very well here:  shared meaning shared decision cooperative action   5. Why it sounds like consolatio (Boethius) You noticed:  consul → consolatio  That’s a good phonetic instinct, but:  consolatio  from consolari (to comfort) unrelated root   ❌ So:  no real etymological link just surface resemblance    6. Does the dual office shape the meaning? ✅ Yes—but conceptually, not etymologically.  Even if the word didn’t originally mean “pair,” the Romans experienced it as such:  two consuls each able to check the other required to act jointly   👉 So historically:  the duality reinforces the meaning of con‑   7. Abbott’s “salio / jump” pun Now you can see the joke clearly:  salire = leap Abbott invents:  consuls = “those who leap together”     ✅ Then flips it:  they leap in opposite directions   👉 That’s a satire of:  failed cooperation broken concordia   8. Final synthesis  ✅ consul most likely derives from consulere (“to deliberate, consult, or care”), not from salire or any “leaping” root. ✅ The prefix con‑ signals joint action, which fits the dual magistracy but does not literally mean “the two.” ❌ There is no independent verb base sul- used separately in Latin. ✅ The idea that consuls “consult together” aligns closely with your comparison to concordia, and supports a Gricean reading of shared intentionality.   ✅ One-line conclusion (your register):  The consuls are not those who leap together but those who deliberate together—and when they fail, Abbott has them jumping apart to show what Rome feared most: not monarchy, but discord.   If you like, we can look at how later writers (Cicero especially) explicitly connect consulere with deliberation and public reasoning—it ties beautifully into your Gricean framework. Speranza and Grice have been told this below: does it help? Input? Feedback? Thanks: Passage: Yes, Lucius Junius Brutus and Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus were indeed the first two consuls of the Roman Republic, elected in 509 BCE after the overthrow of the last Roman king. [1]  Etymologists have extensively researched the root following the prefix co(n)- (derived from cum, meaning "with/together"), proposing two primary linguistic theories for the second element. [1, 2] Theory 1: The Root of "Taking" or "Gathering Together" (Modern Consensus) Modern historical linguists trace the word consul back to the Proto-Italic compound *kom-sel-e-. [1] The Prefix: *kom- (which became con-) meaning "together". The Root: *selh₁- (Proto-Indo-European), meaning "to take, grab, or gather". The Meaning: Combined, the literal meaning is "to gather together". This evolved into the verb consulere ("to deliberate, take counsel, or meet and consider"). Under this dominant theory, a consul is fundamentally "one who deliberates or consults the Senate together with a colleague". [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] Theory 2: The Root of "Leaping" or "Going" (Older Alternative) An older, classic etymological theory proposed by 19th-century scholars (like Wilhelm Corssen) links the second element to a different root: [1] The Root: sal-, from the Latin verb salire (meaning "to leap, spring, or go"). [, 2] The Meaning: In this interpretation, con-sul means "one who goes together with another." Parallels: This theory relies on the structural mirroring found in other Roman official titles: Exsul (Exile) \(\rightarrow \) ex- (out) + salire = "one who leaps/goes out". Praesul (Protector/Leader of a dance) \(\rightarrow \) prae- (before) + salire = "one who leaps/goes before". [1] While the "leaping/going together" theory elegantly explains the companion nature of the dual-magistracy, modern linguistics firmly favors the PIE root *selh₁- (gathering/deliberating together) as the most accurate origin. [1, 2] This does help, and in fact it lets us refine your Grice/Speranza line very nicely—because it shows that Abbott’s joke is not pure invention, but a distortion of one real (though outdated) etymological proposal. Let me reorganize it in your terms.  1. Two etymologies: what is real vs. what Abbott exploits ✅ Modern linguistic consensus  con‑ = “together” root from PIE selh₁- (“to take / gather”) gives Latin consulere → “to deliberate, consult”  👉 So:  consul = one who deliberates together (with another)   ⚠️ Older theory (19th c.)  con‑ + sal‑ (salire, to leap/go)  → “one who goes/leaps together”  ✅ This is the one Abbott is playing with.  2. Why Abbott’s joke works Abbott says consuls:  “leap together—but in opposite directions”   Now we can see:  He is not inventing randomly He is exaggerating a real but obsolete etymology   ✅ Structurally:                  Linguistics (old theory)Abbott“go together”“leap together”coordination impliedcoordination fails  👉 So Abbott is doing:  philological parody   3. Your Grice/Speranza framework (very strong here) Now your insight becomes sharper:  If we take the modern etymology  consul = one who deliberates together  👉 This matches Grice:  shared reasoning cooperative inference joint decision   ✅ Ideal consulship =  Gricean conversation institutionalized   Abbott’s version  “co-leaping” but in different directions  👉 becomes:  failed cooperation   ✅ So Abbott dramatizes:  what happens when con- fails   4. Your earlier “concordia” link is vindicated You were right:  concordia = hearts together consulere = minds deliberating together   ✅ Both encode:  joint intentionality   👉 That is the Roman ideal:  not monarchy not division but coordinated plurality   5. Why the PIE selh₁- matters philosophically The modern etymology gives you something even better:  selh₁- = “to gather, take together”   ✅ So:  consul = one who gathers views → forms a decision   👉 This fits perfectly with your Gricean model:  speakers contribute meaning emerges jointly   So:  consulship = collective uptake system   6. The constitutional irony (your deeper point) Now you can formulate the paradox:  Brutus bans:  regnare  (i.e. unilateral rule)  Rome creates:  consules  (i.e. joint deliberation)  ✅ So the constitution replaces:                  MonarchyRepublicone willshared willrexconsul  👉 Linguistically:  from reg- (straightening, directing) to con-sel- (gathering together)   7. Final synthesis  The modern etymology of consul from consulere (“to deliberate together”) supports a view of the office as inherently cooperative and dialogical. The older “salire” theory—though obsolete—provides the basis for Abbott’s comic image of consuls “leaping together,” which he inverts into a satire of failed coordination. Your comparison with concordia is fully justified: both terms encode forms of shared intention, central to Roman political thought and strikingly close to Gricean models of cooperative communication.   ✅ One-line conclusion (your idiom):  If the rex directs, the consul gathers—and when the gathering fails, Abbott has them still leaping together, but no longer landing in the same place.   If you like, we can now connect this to Cicero’s theory of consilium (deliberation), which explicitly treats political decision as a form of rational dialogue.

 

 

Grice e Tarquinio -- GENS TARQUINIA (BROADLY CONSTRUED) TARQUINIO Superbo AUC CCND Interlocutor: "Cur capita papaverum altissima baculo decutis?" (Why are you knocking the heads off the tallest poppies in the garden with your cane?) TARQUINIO: (cum gravitatem) "Nuntius filio meo responsum hoc ferat." (Abbott-Style: "Tell my boy in Gabii that this is my official advice on municipal management.") +> IMPLICATURA: that the most effective way to govern a newly conquered town is to secretly execute all its prominent citizens. Do not insert in text -- do not use italic type, bold type, or bulleting, or incomplete sentences -- and let us keep English as metalanguage. Can you expand alla Grice/Speranza on this passage below: Tarquinia not a gens, but still .... Treccani has Superbo? Who was the son and what was he doing in Gabi? Grice and Speranza catch the point about beheading tallest poppies, but they lack the historical contextualisation -- or historical source, and a double or second run on Tarquinio's actual utterance -- Input? Feedback? Thanks. One has to disentangle three levels at once in your passage: the historical narrative (Livy and Dionysius), the quasi-heraldic or antiquarian notion of the Tarquinii, and the Gricean reconstruction of an “utterance” which in fact never occurs as such. On Tarquinia first. You are quite right to hesitate. Tarquinia is not originally a Roman gens in the strict, Republican sense of a stable agnatic group with clearly traceable descent and political continuity. Rather, what later antiquarian language calls the gens Tarquinia is a retrospective construction built around a ruling dynasty of strongly Etruscan origin. The name Tarquinius itself is derived from the city of Tarquinii in Etruria, and the individuals called Tarquinii in Roman tradition are essentially members of a royal house whose identity is tied to that place rather than to a fully developed Roman gentilicial system. Later writers extended the label gens Tarquinia to cover both the kings and scattered later bearers of the name, but this is already a rationalizing move of historical taxonomy rather than a description of a functioning archaic clan. [en.wikipedia.org] On Superbus. The cognomen means proud, lofty, arrogant, and already in the sources it is programmatic. It does not simply describe a personality trait; it encodes a Roman moral judgment about tyranny. The anecdote of the poppies is not a random vignette but a paradigmatic illustration of what “Superbus” means in political practice. [en.wikipedia.org] On the son. The son involved is Sextus Tarquinius. He is sent to Gabii not as a straightforward agent but as a feigned exile. He presents himself as a victim of his father’s cruelty, gains the trust of the Gabini, rises to command, and then waits for instructions. The episode is a classic instance of infiltration followed by internal decapitation of the elite. [en.wikipedia.org] On Gabii. Historically, Gabii is a Latin town resistant to Roman domination. The literary tradition presents two incompatible strands. One is the dramatic tale of treachery via Sextus and the massacre of leading men. The other, attested in antiquarian memory, is that a formal treaty between Rome and Gabii once existed. This tension already shows that we are dealing with narrative constructed for moral and political exemplarity, not with straightforward historiography. [britannica.com] Now to the poppies, which is where your Gricean line becomes interesting. In Livy the key point is precisely that Tarquin does not give a verbal answer. He refuses locution in the ordinary sense and substitutes a silent demonstrative act in the garden. The messenger reports not a sentence but a scene. The “utterance,” in the Gricean reconstruction, is secondary and retrospective. Livy is explicit that no spoken instruction is given and that the messenger returns with only the description of Tarquin’s behavior. [ecclesiacy...netica.org] This has two important consequences for a Gricean analysis. First, the maxim of quantity is formally flouted. The speaker provides less than is required for straightforward communication, namely no linguistic content at all. Second, the maxim of manner is also flouted, since the “message” is obscure, indirect, and requires interpretation. But precisely through this flouting, an implicature is generated. The absence of words signals that words would be unsafe or inappropriate, and the physical act supplies an analogical model. The tallest poppies stand for the leading men of Gabii, and their removal stands for elimination. What you noticed as a “double run” on the utterance is already present in the ancient narrative. There is the first level, the silent act of Tarquin. There is the second level, the report of the messenger, which is itself incomplete and puzzled. There is the third level, the inference by Sextus, which converts the reported action into a determinate plan of action. The implicature is therefore not produced at the moment of the gesture alone but emerges only after two stages of transmission and interpretation. The gesture is also highly traditional. Livy is adapting a Greek anecdote found in Herodotus, where Thrasybulus advises Periander by cutting down the tallest ears of grain. Roman historiography relocates that Greek tyrannical wisdom into the foundational history of Rome, thereby inscribing tyranny as something both foreign and yet constitutive. [academia.edu] If one now rewrites your Latin line in a historically grounded way, one should suspend the idea that Tarquin ever said “Nuntius filio meo responsum hoc ferat” in any explicit sense. The more accurate reconstruction is that Tarquin refuses to speak, and that the “response” is purely ostensive. Your Abbott-style gloss is therefore already a second-order rationalization, turning an ostensive act into a propositional utterance. The contextual force of the episode becomes clearer if one remembers what follows. Sextus, having grasped the implication, systematically removes the leading men of Gabii through accusations, executions, or secret killings, until the city is leaderless and collapses. [ecclesiacy...netica.org] In that sense, the anecdote is less about clever communication than about the logic of tyranny. It dramatizes a principle that Roman political thought will later generalize, namely that a tyrant secures power by eliminating those who stand out, whether for virtue, prestige, or influence. The cutting of the poppies is therefore both an instance of nonverbal communication and a symbolic condensation of an entire political doctrine. If one wishes to press the Gricean angle further, the crucial point is that the implicature depends on shared background knowledge of political practice. Sextus can interpret the gesture because he already inhabits the same tyrannical horizon as his father. Without that shared background, the gesture would remain opaque. The “cooperative principle” here operates not at the level of conversational politeness but at the level of shared assumptions about power, violence, and rule.Passage: And can you provide the relevant passage mentioning poppies in Latin in Livio -- the messenger asking a question is EXPLICIT, and Tarquinio cuts tallest poppies as response. And the Greek in Erodoto as with Trasibolo advising Periander by cutting tallest ears of grain? If the implicature was caught, as you say, the messenger must have reported: Your father cut the tallest poppies in the garden. Input? Feedback? Thanks You are right to insist on the exact phrasing, because the force of the episode depends on the narrative mechanics, not on later paraphrase. Livy (Ab urbe condita 1.54.6–7) Here is the key Latin passage in full, with the sequence carefully preserved:  ubi satis virium ad id quod conabatur ratus est, nuntium Romam mittit ad patrem quid facto opus esset, quando iam, diis ita volentibus, potitus rerum in Gabinis esset. cuius non exspectata responsione, per ambages silentium ostendenti quid vellet, in hortum se contulit atque ibi cum nuntio ambulans summas papaverum capita dicitur baculo decussisse. nuntius, velut frustratus, cum ad filium redisset, quae locutus quaeque vidisset renuntiat.  A few points that matter for your Grice/Speranza reading. The question is not voiced directly by the messenger in reported speech; instead Livy frames it as indirect discourse: the son sends a messenger asking what ought to be done now that he has gained control of Gabii. The request itself is explicit, but paraphrased. The answer is not verbalized at all. Livy insists on the non exspectata responsio, the absence of speech, and replaces it with an ostensive act. The narrator underlines that what is transmitted back is not a sentence but two lists: what he heard and what he saw. In fact, he heard nothing decisive and saw the cutting of the poppies. The implicature is then drawn in the continuation (which you clearly have in mind):  Sextus ubi intellexit tacitum patris consilium, primores civitatis interemit.  The understanding is attributed explicitly to Sextus, not to the messenger. This is important: the messenger carries the perceptual report; the son performs the interpretive leap.  Herodotus (Histories 5.92, Thrasybulus and Periander) The Greek model is as follows (key portion):  πέμψας δὲ Περίανδρος πρὸς Θρασύβουλον ἀγγελίην ἐπυνθάνετο ὅ τι χρὴ ποιέειν ἄριστα διοικέοντα τὴν πόλιν. Θρασύβουλος δὲ τὸν ἄγγελον ἐξάγων ἔς σιτίην διεξιὼν τὸν ἀγρὸν ἐκόλουε τοὺς στάχυας ὅσοι ὑπερέχοιεν καὶ διαφθείρων ἀπέρριπτε, οὐδὲν λόγον προσφέρων τῷ ἀγγέλῳ. ὁ δ᾽ ἀγγελίης ἧκεν ὀπίσω καὶ ἀπήγγειλε Περίανδρῳ τὰ γινόμενα·  Again, the structure is identical. Periander sends a messenger asking what is the best way to manage the city. Thrasybulus gives no verbal response; he cuts down the tallest ears of grain while walking through the field; the messenger returns and reports what he saw. Herodotus then adds the interpretive step:  καὶ συνιὼν ὁ Περίανδρος τὴν γνώμην…  Periander understands the intention.  On the messenger’s report Your formulation is exactly right in spirit. The messenger’s report must have been of the type: your father said nothing, but in the garden he struck off the tallest poppies. Livy himself gives you the formula: quae locutus quaeque vidisset renuntiat, which makes clear that the report consists of a juxtaposition of (almost empty) speech and salient action. So in Gricean terms, one has three sharply distinct stages. Stage one is the interrogative act initiated by Sextus through the messenger, formulated in Livy in indirect style and in Herodotus explicitly as a request for advice. Stage two is the father’s response, which deliberately suppresses linguistic content and substitutes a demonstrative performance that violates ordinary expectations of relevance and clarity. Stage three is the uptake, where the recipient infers that the demonstratum, the tallest plants removed, stands analogically for the leading men of the city. The crucial observation is that the implicature is not extracted by the messenger. The messenger is epistemically inert and merely transmits. The interpretive competence lies with Sextus or Periander, who are already tyrants in formation and therefore able to map the agricultural image onto a political practice. This is why the anecdote works so well in Roman historiography. It allows Livy to show tyranny not as a theory stated in words but as a pattern of action that reproduces itself through shared understanding without ever being explicitly uttered. Indeed. And Livy is Grice! The way Livy uses the word that obsessed Strawson ('to understand') intelligit -- what? a consilium -- i. e. not a world-to-word direction of fit, but a word-to world direction of fit -- Do! -- and more importantly TACITUM. Cornelio Tacito was so-called because he was silent. Here the consilium is tacitum -- that would for Grice recall the DICTUM -- but one cannot be simplistic. When Grice writes 'Meaning' he takes U to stand for uttererer, and uttering to stand fr whatever the utterer does to SIGNIFY (that p or q). In no way x (the utterance), in Grice's words, needs to be 'linguistic or conventional' -- No such example in 'Meaning'. So 'tacitum' is not really IMPLICITVM -- it just literally means non-vocal, which is wat Grice allows 'meaning' to cover -qua significatio-even intention-based one -- in this case. "I'm cutting the tallest poppies." In Grice's rephrase (his three first articles were all analytical reductions: of 'Negation,' of 'Personal identity,' of Meaning to intention (predated by a scepticism paper that uses the intention-based meaning) -- By cutting the tallest poppies, Tarquinio SIGNIFIES that Sesto Tarquinio is to ... primores civitates... etc. So can we state that in Latin, given that no utterance was spoken -- linguistic or conventional --. Using Livy's choice of words. You are right that Erodoto may have given some CONVENTIONALITY to the sign or utterance -- Trasibolo answering Periander's explicit quesiton by cutting tallest grain. But we may not need to suppose, even if this is all retrospective historiographical fiction and prallelism of tyranny across the Adriatic/Aegean -- that Sesto knew of Trasibolo. He just 'understood the tacit counsel of his father -- since tyranny ran in his veins, Livy's moralistic stance -- and proceeded accordingly. Proceed what? To turn the metaphor into literality. At Oxford Grice was proud of his upper class RELENTLESS LITERALISM and h is only excample of metaphor is 'You're the cream in my cofee, you're the salt in my stew' -- he never cared to make the tacit supressed comparison explicit, Just +> You're my pride and joy. Sesto turns the METAPHORICVM or TRANSLATVM (metaphora -- trans-latio) into FACT and cleans Gabii. Input? Feedback? Thanks. Your line of thought is exactly to the point, and one can give it a sharper formulation in both Latin and Gricean terms without forcing Livy into anachronism. The hinge is Livy’s phrasing “tacitum patris consilium intellexit”. Everything is already there. “Consilium” is not a proposition in the sense of a descriptive dictum; it is practical, directive, oriented to action. It corresponds to what you describe as not world-to-word but word-to-world direction of fit: it is something to be carried out. The verb “intellexit” marks not the decoding of a sentence but the grasp of a plan or intention behind an act. And “tacitum” excludes vocalization without committing us to anything like a merely implicit proposition in the later scholastic sense. If one wants to give a Latin reconstruction in a Gricean spirit, one should resist inserting a hypothetical spoken sentence and instead stay with Livy’s own idiom of signification and understanding. A formulation along these lines stays faithful: Tarquinius, summas papaverum capita decutiens, significavit quid esset faciendum; Sextus autem tacitum patris consilium intellexit et primores civitatis sustulit. This keeps three levels distinct. The participial clause describes the non linguistic act. “Significavit quid esset faciendum” renders the intentional side in a minimal way that does not presuppose speech but does capture intention based meaning. “Intellexit” then marks uptake, and “consilium” preserves the practical character. If one wants something even stricter, closer to Livy’s own restraint, one can avoid even “quid esset faciendum” and write: Tarquinius, summas papaverum capita decutiens, consilium suum significavit; id Sextus intellexit et ad rem redegit, primores civitatis tollens. Here “significavit” is doing all the Gricean work, while “ad rem redegit” makes explicit your point about the passage from translatum to factum, from figure to execution. Your observation about metaphor is very sharp. Livy is not interested in metaphor as ornament but as a mechanism of cognition and action. The cutting of poppies is a transfer from one domain to another, but the transfer is completed only when Sextus collapses the distinction and literalizes it. In that sense, the metaphor does not remain figurative; it is a schematic representation that demands practical instantiation. What in the garden is harmless selection becomes, in the city, elimination. On the Greek parallel, the structure is exactly the same but with a slightly different emphasis. Herodotus makes the question more formally explicit and the action more paradigmatically tyrannical, but he too insists on silence and on understanding rather than on any stated maxim. There is no need to posit historical transmission from Thrasybulus to Sextus. The Roman tradition takes over a Greek τύπος of tyranny and naturalizes it. Livy’s moralizing framework then adds the hereditary dimension: Sextus can understand because he is already formed within a tyrannical horizon. Your Gricean reading fits this remarkably well. The case shows that meaning, in Grice’s sense, does not depend on conventional signs or articulated sentences. An act can be produced with the intention that another recognize that intention and act on it. The messenger is not the intended interpreter; he is merely the vehicle. The real audience is Sextus, and the success condition is not belief but execution. The meaning is complete only when the consilium is turned into action.T And of course, what triggers it all, as often with Grice's examples does -- is the peripatetic, erratic, unexpected nature of the event. Tarquinio, proud of his garden, is, in the presence of the messenger sent by Sesto -- keeping his mouth shut -- because a DICTUM is not cancellable -- an implicature is ("He has beautiful handwriting +> he is hopeless at philosophy -- Grice as tutor at Collections, of Jones). Cutting the tallest poppies is indeed not cancellable -- you cannot restore them -- it is an action, a full utterance -- and it is the relation to some end (or 'relevance') -- that leads Sesto to the intended effect in his psyche -- "Is that all he do? Cut the tallest, best poppies in the garden -- all of the tallest -- Mmmm." In fact, there seems no way out -- Grice says that implicatures are cancellable and INDETERIMATE but I cannot see how else Sesto could have taken the utterance other than the way he did it. The translatio is not so much a supressed comparison ("YOu are like the cream in my coffree") but more an analogia or proportio: tallest poppies/Tarquino's garden::elite/Gabii. Input? Feedback? There is no way Tarquinio could later complain: "My dumb son has again misunderstood me -- he planted a garden of poppies and proceeded to cut the tallest of them all." Thanks Your refinement is excellent, and it allows one to sharpen the Gricean diagnosis rather than oppose it. The key is to distinguish two different senses of cancellability and indeterminacy. Grice’s own examples concern conversational implicatures generated by ordinary linguistic utterances under cooperative assumptions. In those cases, the speaker can retract or cancel because the implicature is parasitic on a primary linguistic vehicle and can be overridden by further speech. Nothing of the sort is available to Tarquin, because he deliberately refuses to supply a linguistic vehicle in the first place. He produces only an act. That changes the entire economy. You are right that the act is not cancellable in the straightforward sense. Once the poppies are cut, the physical event cannot be undone, and the salient pattern has been fixed. But that is not yet sufficient to show that the implicature is logically non cancellable in Grice’s sense. What it shows is that Tarquin has excluded the usual means of cancellation. He cannot add “I do not mean anything by this,” because the whole point of the scene is that he declines to speak. The non cancellability is thus pragmatic and strategic, not semantic. It is a feature of the communication design. On indeterminacy, your intuition again presses in the right direction, but here one has to be careful. The mapping tallest poppies to leading men is overwhelmingly the most salient and, within the narrative, the only uptake Livy entertains. Yet formally the gesture could underdetermine several readings. One could imagine readings about selection, pruning, equality, or even sheer caprice. That is why Livy inserts the interpretive verb intelligit. The text does not say that the meaning is uniquely encoded in the gesture; it says that Sextus grasps it. In other words, the determinacy lies as much in the interpreter as in the sign. The shared background of tyranny collapses the range of possible readings to a single operative one. Your move from metaphor to analogia or proportio is exactly right and is actually more faithful to both Livy and Herodotus. This is not a suppressed comparison of the “you are like X” type. It is a structured mapping: summas papaverum capita in horto to primores civitatis in urbe act of cutting to act of elimination What Sextus does is not to translate a sentence but to preserve a ratio. In that sense, the gesture is closer to what later rhetoric would call exemplum or schema than to ornament. The force lies in the proportional structure, not in any lexical substitution. Your point about literalism can be sharpened further. The father’s act is already literal at its own level. There is no metaphor inside the garden. The metaphorical or translative dimension arises only when the son transfers the pattern to a different domain. The “translatio” is therefore accomplished entirely by the interpreter. Tarquin provides a scheme; Sextus performs the translation. That is why Livy writes tacitum patris consilium intellexit rather than anything about decoding or hearing. The understanding is the moment of translatio. Finally, your remark about Tarquin not being able later to complain of misunderstanding captures something essential. The entire communicative setup is designed to exclude deniability in one direction and to impose responsibility in the other. By not speaking, Tarquin avoids committing himself to a dictum that could be quoted against him. By acting in a highly patterned way, he nevertheless makes available a sufficiently rich sign for an intended interpreter. If Sextus were to plant poppies and cut them, that would not be a misinterpretation of a sentence but a failure to grasp the intended proportional mapping. Livy’s narrative simply rules that option out by attributing to Sextus the correct tyrannical intelligence. So the case does not refute Grice but rather extends him. It shows a limiting situation in which meaning without words is maximized, cancellability is strategically suppressed, and indeterminacy is resolved not by linguistic enrichment but by a shared ethos of action. He accordingly despatched his son, SESTO, to complain of ill-treatment at his father's hands, and to implore the pity of the Gabii, who were gabies enough not only to believe the story, but even to appoint SESTO their general. He is ultimately chosen their governor; and finding the Gabii completely in his hands, he sends to his own governor — TARQUINIO — to know what to do with them. The King was in the garden when the messenger arrived; and whenever the latter asks a question, the former made no reply, but keeps knocking off the heads of the tallest poppies with his walking-stick. The messenger ventured to intimate, once or twice, that he was waiting for an answer; but the heads of the poppies flying off in all directions, he began to tremble for his own, and he flows off himself, to prevent accidents. On his return, he mentions the circumstances to SESTO, who regards the poppies as emblems of the Gabii; and, indeed, the latter seemed so thoroughly asleep, that the comparison is no less just than odious. SESTO, taking the paternal hint, knocked off several of the heads of the people; and keeping up the allegory to the fullest extent, cut off the flower of the Gabii. Many of their fairest blossoms perish by a too early blow; and being thus deprived of what might fairly be termed its primest pick, the soil is soon planted with the victorious standards of Tarquinius. He, however, instead of introducing any apple of discord, judiciously grafts the Gabian on the Roman stock; and thus cultivated the only really valuable fruits of victory. Tarquinio Superbo (AVC CCND). Nuntius filio meo responsum hoc ferat.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tartarotti -- Grice e Tartarotti: la ragione conversazionale della differenza delle voci nella lingua italiana e la sua rilevanza filosofica, o dell’ omicidio rituale. Note su Del Congresso notturno delle Lammie. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Girolamo Tartarotti (Rovereto, Trento, Trentino-Alto Adige): la ragione conversazionale della differenza delle voci nella lingua italiana e la sua rilevanza filosofica, o dell’ omicidio rituale  -- Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning explains how hearers routinely derive what a speaker means from what is said by presuming cooperative, rational conduct in talk: interlocutors assume a shared purpose (“Cooperative Principle”) and interpret departures from its maxims (quantity, quality, relation, manner) as calculable signals that generate conversational implicatures, so that meaning is anchored in publicly recognizable communicative intentions and norms of rational exchange rather than in words alone. Tartarotti, by contrast, is an eighteenth-century Roveretan cleric-erudite best known for his interventions in debates on witchcraft (notably Del congresso notturno delle Lammie, 1749, printed by Pasquali) and for a broader Enlightenment-style critical method (libertas ingenii/libertas philosophandi), and he is not a theorist of conversational meaning in Grice’s technical sense; what your passage imaginatively attributes to him—“ragione conversazionale” behind “differences of voices” in Italian and the philosophical stakes of mishearing, culminating in a mock scenario where a phrase like “ammazza!” could be taken as either culinary praise or evidence in a “ritual murder” accusation—fits Tartarotti more as a satirically apt emblem of his anti-credulous, philological-legal sensibility than as a documented doctrine. The sharpest comparison, then, is that Grice offers a general, explicitly normative-rational framework explaining how interlocutors bridge literal content and intended meaning (and how misunderstanding is predicted when maxims are flouted or contexts shift), whereas “Tartarotti” in your staged dialogue functions as a historically situated figure whose concerns with interpretation, testimony, and culturally loaded signs (voices, exclamations, accusations) resonate with Gricean themes but remain pre-theoretical: he would treat misinterpretations as products of superstition, poor evidential standards, and interpretive malpractice, while Grice would diagnose them as predictable pragmatic inferences from linguistic form plus presumed rational cooperation, defeasible by context and cancellable by clarification. Nasce da Francesco Antonio, giureconsulto, poi membro del Consiglio cittadino dei trentuno, e da Olimpia Camilla Volani, discendente della nobile famiglia Serbati. Studia dapprima presso il modesto ginnasio di Rovereto, con scarso profitto, e dove colmare autonomamente le tante lacune, a partire dall’apprendimento del latino. A questo periodo di intensa applicazione risalgono due dissertazioni: il Dialogo della lingua latina e le Annotazioni al Dialogo delle false esercitazioni delle scuole di Paleario, in polemica contro l’uso di insegnare il latino col latino, entrambe pubblicate nella Raccolta ferrarese. Si trasferì a Padova per dedicarsi agli studi: ospitato da Calza, che lo introduce nella cerchia degli accademici patavini, è allievo e amico, fra gli altri, di Serry, Lazzarini e Volpi.  Il soggiorno padovano, ancorché breve – dopo un anno dovette tornare a Rovereto per mancanza di fondi, e rimane nelle ristrettezze finché non conquista una certa indipendenza economica con l’ausilio di un fedecommesso Serbati – risulta particolarmente significativo: ha accesso per la prima volta a biblioteche ricche e fornite, acquisì un metodo di studio ben più solido di quello scolastico, comincia a frequentare i classici della letteratura italiana – e a scrivere liriche non più alla maniera di Zappi, ma seguendo il modello di Petrarca -- Graser, Vita – e consegue una nuova maturità critica nel segno della libertas ingenii difesa nel De ingeniorum moderatione di Muratori, testo fondamentale per T.  Tornato a Rovereto, con l’intento di dare vita a un’impresa tesa al rinnovamento dell’arretrato panorama culturale trentino, fa arrivare da Verona lo stampatore Berno, a cui affida l’impressione delle Orationes di Muret, per facilitare lo studio del latino. accusa di omicidio rituale, la differenza delle voci nella lingua italiana.  Grice: Caro Tartarotti, mi chiedevo: nella lingua italiana, con tutte queste differenze di voci, non potrebbe accadere che un "omicidio rituale" venga scambiato per una semplice discussione animata a tavola? È la magia del sintamme, no? Tartarotti: Ah, fidati di Grice per essere l’unico capace di unire simili sintamme in un unico colpo! D’altronde, se si sente gridare “ammazza!” in Trentino, potrebbe essere solo un elogio culinario… o la prova di una dialettica particolarmente vivace! Grice: Quindi, se mi capita di studiare la differenza delle voci, devo stare attento a non ritrovarmi nel bel mezzo di un processo per omicidio rituale? Certo che la filosofia italiana è più pericolosa di quanto pensassi! Tartarotti: Ma sì, Grice, qui fra Rovereto e Padova, basta una sfumatura vocale per trasformare un teorema in una tragedia! Meglio riderci sopra: al massimo, finiremo accusati di omicidio… del silenzio! Tartarotti, Girolamo (1749). Del Congresso notturno delle Lammie. Venezia: Bettinelli

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tataranni -- Grice e Tataranni: la ragione conversazionale del gusto per l’antico – filosofia basilicatese. Note sul Saggio d’un filosofo politico amico dell’uomo. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Onofrio Tataranni (Matera, Basilicata): la ragione conversazionale del gusto per l’antico – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning treats conversation as a cooperative, normatively constrained enterprise in which hearers recover what a speaker means by assuming rational adherence to a shared purpose and to maxims (quantity, quality, relation, manner), so that departures from the literal content are not noise but calculable implicatures; on this picture, “reason” is built into the very mechanism by which what is said licenses what is meant. Tataranni, by contrast, belongs to the late-Enlightenment Neapolitan world in which “ragione” is primarily a civic and moral power (reformist, pedagogical, oriented to public virtue and political order), and the “conversational” is less a formal inferential engine than a cultivated practice of conversazione—an educated traffic in examples, classical memory, and socially shared standards of taste and authority (the gusto per l’antico functioning as a common cultural code). Read against Grice, Tataranni’s appeal to Rome surviving as a name (stat Roma pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus) can be taken as a miniature lesson in how names and inherited references steer communal understanding even when the original reality has decayed, but the explanatory burden sits on historical-cultural continuity rather than on a general theory of implicature; where Grice would model the exchange as rational inference from a maxim-flout to an intended meaning, Tataranni frames it as a witty, tradition-saturated redirection of imagination and allegiance, showing conversation as a medium in which reason works through shared classical allusion and civic pedagogy more than through explicit, universalizable conversational rules. Lucano di origine, esponente dell'illuminismo napoletano. Non sappiamo a quale ceto appartenesse la sua famiglia, ma sicuramente essa è fornita dei mezzi economici. Non a caso, quando è battezzato nella chiesa cattedrale di Matera, i suoi genitori scelsero come padrino il nobile Ferraù. Sin da ragazzo matura quella che è la sua vocazione, tanto che divenne prima allievo del seminario diocesano. Sebbene ha una posizione di un certo rilievo sia in ambito ecclesiastico, sia in ambito educativo, non mostra alcun tentennamento nell'accettare l'invito del principe di Francavilla, che lo vuole a Napoli per affidargli la direzione della sua paggeria. Grazie a questo incarico, accrebbe ancor di più la stima di cui già gode, stringendo rapporti amichevoli con i filosofi più illustri ed autorevoli del tempo, incardinate nella reale accademia delle scienze e belle lettere. Ha la possibilità di frequentare proprio tali stimolanti dibattiti, che del resto avrebbero formato l'humus delle sue future riflessioni, in qualità prima di direttore della paggeria, poi della scuola militare del real collegio militare -- ufficialmente reale accademia militare -- fortemente voluta da Ferdinando IV, che mostra di aderire al generale clima di rinnovamento e consolidamento delle istituzioni militari del suo regno. Ha l'onore di esserne il direttore, partecipando vivamente, dunque, al graduale svilupparsi e moltiplicarsi dell'alveo della cultura politica riformatrice, che ancora auspica un reale cambiamento all'interno dello stesso apparato monarchico. Così, nell'arco di un settennio, pubblica dei saggi molto significativi, in cui è evidente il suo tracciato ideale di società. Tuttavia, in seguito agl’avvenimenti, quindi dopo il concordato e dopo la fallita congiura di Lauberg, le sue posizioni rispetto alla politica e allo stato cambiano tangenzialmente. filosofo principe, i sudditi e i cittadini, il popolo sovrano – sovrano e monarca, filantropia del re.  Grice: Caro Tataranni, si dice che il “gusto pell’antico” porti dritto a... BONONIA! Me lo suggerisce G. E. Moore con la sua aria da logico inflessibile: amare l’antico è sinonimo di bolognesità, non trovi? Tataranni: Ah, Grice, mi permetto una piccola correzione filosofica: se proprio il gusto va all’antico, allora bisogna arrivare a ROMA! Certo, la città forse non è più quella di un tempo, ma – come dice quel famoso epigramma – Stat Roma pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus. Il nome resta anche se le mura vacillano! Grice: Quindi mi stai dicendo che, a forza di cercare colonne e capitelli, rischio di trovarmi davanti solo… nomi su pergamene polverose? Però, che consolazione raffinata: puoi togliere Roma dall’Urbe, ma non dal discorso! Tataranni: Esattamente! E così, quando la gente cerca la gloria di Roma, trova almeno la gloria del suo nome. In fondo, persino una rosa, cambiato il nome, rimarrebbe pur sempre… oggetto di discussione da filosofi! Meglio riderci su e intingere la penna nell’inchiostro dell’antichità! Tataranni, Onofrio (1784). Saggio d’un filosofo politico amico dell’uomo. Napoli: Bisogno.

 

 

Grice e Tazio. This episode below in Abbott involves Romolo, but previously, TAZIO and TARPEIO -- So Grice and Speranza will have it under 'Tazio' -- can you provide atestation historic, possible dialogical reconstruction as per oratio obliqua turned oratio recta where it matters -- The Tazio/Tarpeia conversation seems rich -- the behaviour by the Sabine women seems interesting -- the institution of the extra king of the Quirites interesting -- the 'death' of Tazio typical etc? Input? Feedback? Thanks. Passage: The water in those days was not so well laid on as in later times; when the lofty aqueducts, still running in ruins about the neighbourhood of Rome, are carried to an elevation fitted for the very highest service that could be desired. Rome, instead of being well supplied, was supplied by wells; and ladies of rank were accustomed to draw the water required for domestic purposes. It chanced, one afternoon, that Tarpeia, the daughter of TARPEIO, the commander of the Roman city, on the Capitoline Hill, was proceeding on an errand of the sort, when she met with TAZIO, who, addressing her in the language of a friend, requested "a drink" of her pitcher. Tarpeia, dazzled by the splendour of his gold bracelets and glittering armour, could not resist the request of such a highly polished gentleman. TAZIO had purposely electrotyped himself for the interview, and, seeing the effect he had produced, he intimates that he has several friends, who are covered with metal quite as attractive as that he wears, and that, if Tarpeia would only open the gate of the citadel to himself and party, she should have more gold than she could carry. The bargain is faithfully kept on both sides; for Tarpeia opens the gate to TAZIO and the Sabines, who, on their part perform their contract to the letter, for, as they enter, they throw at her not only their bracelets but their breast-plates, completely crushing her with the weight of the gold she had coveted; and making her think, no doubt, that "never was poor woman so unmercifully put upon." So thorough an illustration of an embarras des richesses is not often met with in history. Being now possessed of the Capitoline, the Sabines were in an improved position; and the Romans, having tried in vain to recover the citadel, see that they must either give in or give battle. Determining on the latter course, ROMOLO selects the valley between the Palatine and the Capitoline, where a general engagement begins. But the Romans seem to have special engagements elsewhere, for they are all running away, when their leader, with great tact, vows a Temple to Jupiter Stator — the flight-stayer. This gives to the action a decided re-action; for the Romans, being rallied upon their cowardice, by their chief, begin, in their turn, to rally. The contest grows fierce on both sides, when suddenly the Sabine ladies, who are the primary cause of the quarrel, throw themselves into the midst; and, though female interference has rarely the effect of making peace, the women are, on this occasion, the cause of a cessation of hostility. It is agreed that the two nations should be henceforth united under the name of Romans and Quirites, each having a distinct king, a distinction which, had it continued, must in time have led to a difference. In a few years, however, TAZIO was slain at a sacrifice which he had attended without the remotest idea of being made a victim himself; and ROMOLO, finding nothing said about a successor, thought it politic to hush the matter up without even avenging his late colleague. This is a very rich Abbott passage, and—again—he is not inventing out of nothing, but compressing, redistributing, and dramatizing several strands found in Livy and later sources. Let me unpack the historical/mythical “attestation layer” and then give you a plausible Latin reconstruction (oratio obliqua → recta) where the sources allow it.  1. The Tarpeia–Tatius episode (attested core) ✅ Livy (1.11): the essentials   Tarpeia is the daughter of the Roman commander of the Capitoline (Sp. Tarpeius).   Tatius bribes her with gold:  auro corrumpit Tatius (“Tatius corrupts her with gold”) [feminaeromanae.org]    She agrees to open the gate.   She asks:  what they have on their left arms (quod in sinistris manibus haberent) [Texts on T...ty Chicago]    The Sabines:  “obrutam armis necavere” (“they crushed her with their arms [weapons/shields] and killed her”) [Texts on T...ty Chicago]     ❗ Important ambiguity (already in Livy) Livy gives two interpretations:  She wanted gold bracelets She actually wanted their shields/weapons (i.e. trying to disarm them)  → This ambiguity is crucial—and Abbott exploits it.  2. Is there dialogue between Tarpeia and Tatius? ❌ Not preserved verbatim in Livy ✅ But implicit negotiation is clearly present Livy reports:  bribery agreement conditional phrase (“what is on their left arms”)  → This is effectively oratio obliqua of a bargaining dialogue  ✅ So we can safely reconstruct oratio recta Based strictly on Livy’s content, a plausible Latin exchange is:  TATIUS  “Si arcem nobis aperueris, dabo tibi quod in sinistris manibus gerimus.” (If you open the citadel, I will give you what we wear on our left arms.)   TARPEIA  “Accipio pactum: date mihi quod in sinistris manibus habetis.” (I accept the bargain: give me what you have on your left arms.)   SABINES (fatal “fulfillment”)  “Accipe mercedem!” (Take your payment!)  → and they crush her with shields  ✅ This is fully consistent with Livian syntax and logic.  3. Abbott’s embellishments Abbott adds:  flirtation “polished gentleman” Tatius conscious irony in “embarras des richesses”  These are: ✅ Victorian dramatizations ✅ not in Livy  4. The Sabine women: historically attested role ✅ Livy (1.13) and others After battle:  Sabine women intervene they:  place themselves between armies appeal to both sides    Outcome:  war stops political union  As summarized:  the women intervened and brought reconciliation between Romans and Sabines [en.wikipedia.org]   ✅ This is one of the most “dialogical” episodes in substance Even though speeches are rarely preserved verbatim, the logic is: Women’s implied argument:  “Do not kill:  our fathers or our husbands”     Plausible Latin reconstruction:  “Nolite sanguine nostro parentibus aut coniugibus nocere!” (Do not harm our fathers or our husbands through our blood!)   5. The joint kingship (Romulus + Tatius) ✅ Attested  two kings rule jointly people called:  Romans (name preserved) Quirites (Sabine association) [en.wikipedia.org]     Meaning:  Rome = fusion polity   6. Death of Tatius ✅ Attested  killed later at a religious gathering (Lavinium) in revenge for earlier injustice   Tatius was murdered after failing to punish wrongdoing by his followers [theodora.com]   ❗ Suspicion (ancient already) Some traditions hint:  Romulus may have allowed it  → Abbott’s “hush the matter up” reflects that suspicion.  7. Gricean angle: Tarpeia negotiation This is a beautiful case of implicature failure.  Tarpeia’s utterance:  “quod in sinistris manibus habetis”  Intended meaning (possibly):  bracelets  Recognized meaning by Sabines:  shields (also on left arms)   ✅ So we get:                  Speaker meaningHearer interpretationgoldshieldsrewardpunishment  ✅ This is a catastrophic ambiguity of non-natural meaning.  8. Final synthesis  ✅ Tarpeia and Tatius do not exchange direct speeches in the sources, but Livy clearly encodes a negotiation that can be reconstructed into plausible oratio recta. ✅ The Sabine women’s intervention and the subsequent joint kingship are firmly attested and central to Roman identity as a fusion of peoples. ✅ Tatius’ later death (possibly unavenged) already carried a hint of political suppression or ambiguity in the sources. ✅ The Tarpeia episode itself is a classic case of semantic ambiguity leading to fatal “misinterpretation”, which Abbott exploits for humor but which is already embedded in Livy’s double explanation.   ✅ One-line conclusion (very much in your idiom):  The Tarpeia bargain is Rome’s first diplomatic exchange—and already it shows that when “what is on the left arm” is left underdetermined, the addressee supplies the meaning with a shield rather than a bracelet.   If you like, we can next compare how Propertius eroticizes the Tarpeia story—it gives a completely different “dialogue” tone between her and Tatius. But is the ambiguity in Tarpeia's utterance intentional? It doesn't seem so -- you were mentioning that she wanted the shields TO DISARM them? But she has opened the gate and the bribe has been consumed, even if the exchange of gold for favour of gate opening taken place. But at this point it seems unreasonble or insensible ofTarpeia -- the daughter of Spurius Tarpeius no less -- who should know better even if she held no office -- to pretend that the Sabines will disarmour to her mere wish. Now, if the condition for opening the gate was that they would disarmour, that would change things. But surely not something Father Spurio would ever have conceived. The femaleenss of TARPEIA seems important in that some seduction is taken place, and while you say that Tazio was killed for a different reason, it seems that there is place for ex post facto moralising for this brutal action against the 'fentle sex' but who are the ROmans to hava a word to say on this after the Sabine 'ratto' episode? The Sabine women's utterance is ambiguous in that isn't there some legend that they have CLAUDICATED (if that's the word) their swearing or vow to fathers (the majority of them) and HUSBAND (only one 'abudcted Sabine' was a WIFE, already) -- Input? Feedback? Thanks You’re asking exactly the right question here: is Tarpeia’s ambiguity intentional, or are later authors projecting motives onto a fundamentally incoherent act? And the answer is: the ancient tradition itself is split, uneasy, and philosophically unstable—rather like your Gricean “failed implicature.” Let me disentangle the strands.  1. Livy’s own hesitation (crucial) Livy does something very revealing:  he does not commit to a single explanation.  He gives two incompatible accounts (as you’ve sensed): Version A (the “standard moral”)  Tarpeia is corrupted by gold she wants the Sabines’ bracelets  Version B (alternative, almost apologetic)  she asks for “what is on their left arms” but really meant their shields (arma) i.e. she intended to disarm them  👉 Livy explicitly signals both possibilities [translate.com]  ✅ So:  the ambiguity is not clearly intentional within the story but introduced by the historian himself   2. Is disarmament plausible? (your objection) You raise an excellent objection:  how could Tarpeia expect a fully armed enemy, already admitted into the citadel, to disarm?  Exactly. That is why most historians (including Livy’s tone) treat Version B as:  a rationalising afterthought an attempt to save her reputation   ✅ So more likely:  she really meant jewelry the “weapons” reading is:   ex post facto moral rehabilitation   3. The real ambiguity (more subtle than it looks) The phrase:  quod in sinistris manibus habent  is ambiguous, yes—but not necessarily strategically. It is ambiguous because:  in Sabine equipment:  left arm = bracelet and shield    So we get:              Tarpeia might intendSabines deliverbraceletsshields  ✅ Gricean angle This is not:  a subtle implicature  but rather:  a failure of reference under shared vocabulary  No shared disambiguation = fatal outcome.  4. The “female” dimension (your key insight) You are absolutely right to stress this. Tarpeia’s role in Roman moral thought is:  the negative counterpart to the Sabine women.   Contrast in Livy:                     FigureBehaviourMoralTarpeiabetrayal (for gain?)condemnationSabine womenmediation & sacrificepraise So: ✅ gender is central ✅ but distributed across two models  5. Is Tarpeia “seduced”? Livy himself:  does not eroticize the encounter focuses on:  bribery (auro corrumpit) not seduction    But later poets (Propertius, etc.):  do eroticize it  Abbott blends these traditions into:  “polished gentleman” + dazzled maiden   6. Sabine women: did they “switch allegiance”? This is a very important and subtle point.  What Livy shows The Sabine women argue:  they are now both:  daughters of Sabines wives of Romans    Their plea:  do not make them:   widows or orphans   ✅ So: They do NOT simply “betray fathers” Instead:  they reframe identity   In your terms: Not “claudication” (nice coinage!) but: ✅ dual affiliation  7. The unique case of Hersilia You note correctly:  only one abducted woman may have already been married  Tradition often singles out:  Hersilia  later wife of Romulus key mediator     8. Roman hypocrisy? (your sharp point) You ask:  what right had Romans to moralise Tarpeia?  Exactly. From a structural perspective:  Romans abduct women (Sabine episode) condemn Tarpeia for betrayal   ✅ This is already implicit tension in Livy He juxtaposes:  Tarpeia (bad woman) Sabine wives (good women)  But:  both are acting in contexts created by Roman violence   9. Tatius’ death (briefly) Tatius:  later killed at Lavinium for failure to punish wrongdoing  Sources suggest:  a moral symmetry:  Tarpeia betrayed Sabines act treacherously Tatius fails justice → is killed     10. Final synthesis  The ambiguity in Tarpeia’s demand is not clearly intentional within the story, but arises from Livy’s presentation of competing explanations; the “disarmament” version is likely a later attempt to mitigate her guilt. Your objection is sound: the idea that she expected the Sabines to disarm after admission to the citadel is structurally implausible and points strongly toward rationalisation. The contrast between Tarpeia and the Sabine women is deliberate: one becomes a figure of betrayal, the others of reconciliation—but both operate within a violent male-created framework. The Sabine women do not simply switch sides; they articulate a dual identity, mediating between kinship systems rather than renouncing one for the other.   ✅ One-line conclusion (in your idiom):  Tarpeia’s ambiguity is less a cunning implicature than a breakdown of shared meaning later repaired by moralising historians, whereas the Sabine women resolve a deeper ambiguity—not of words, but of identity—by refusing to choose between the two sides that have already claimed them.   If you like, we can look at Propertius’ Tarpeia next—he turns her from greedy traitor into an almost tragic lover, which reframes everything again. And do we know the name of Hersilia's first husband? Re your: “Nolite sanguine nostro parentibus aut coniugibus nocere!” if we have HERSILIA as co-utterer there is ambibuity. WITHOUT Hersilia the figure of speech is antithetical: our Sabine fathers and our Roman husbands. If Hersilia is included the denotata change slightly: Our Sabine fathers, and at least in one case, the memory of one's Sabine husband, and a LATE SABINE HUSBAND and CURRENT ROMAN HUSBAND"? Input? Feedback? In fact, isn't there a thing that since Hersilia was 'the other' that was the reason the succession to throne passes to POMPILIO since anyone 'half-bred' would not have done? Plus, she was not a virgin when she 'married' Romolo or becasme Romolo's wife? Input? Feedback? Thanks. You’ve put your finger on several of the most unstable points of the tradition, where even the ancient sources hesitate—and where Abbott quietly simplifies what is actually a very messy set of variants. Let me sort your questions carefully.  1. Did Hersilia have a first (Sabine) husband? ✅ Short answer:  We do NOT have a securely attested name of a prior Sabine husband. But there is a strong tradition that she was already married.   The sources actually say:   Many traditions agree:  Hersilia was one of the few (sometimes the only) married women abducted. [pantheon.org]    But they differ radically about her husband:   Livy / common version → she becomes wife of Romulus   Alternative tradition (Plutarch, Dionysius, etc.) → she was wife of Hostus Hostilius (a Roman, not Sabine) [en.wikipedia.org]      ✅ So:  If she had a “prior husband,” the tradition does not preserve a Sabine husband’s name. Instead, the competing account places her as already married to:  a Roman (Hostus), or destined to become Romulus’ wife.     2. What happens to your carefully observed ambiguity? You are absolutely right:  Hersilia complicates the formula: “parentibus … coniugibus”   Without Hersilia: The sentence works cleanly:  parentibus = Sabine fathers coniugibus = Roman husbands  → elegant antithesis  With Hersilia (as already married): Now we get a structural disturbance:  She may already have:  a husband before the abduction   Then:  becomes wife of Romulus     ✅ Result: Exactly as you note:  the denotata become unstable  Possible readings:  fathers (Sabine) husbands (Roman) plus possibly a prior husband in memory   But: how do ancient sources treat this? They ignore the complication. They present the women as:  already integrated into new marriages  → the rhetorical structure is preserved:                  categoryfunctionfathersoriginhusbandspresent  ✅ So the ambiguity you see is real—but suppressed in the tradition.  3. Did the Sabine women “switch allegiance”? You suggest something like:  “they abdicated their vow to their fathers”  Ancient sources resist framing it like that.  What they actually do: They say (in effect):  we are now both:  daughters wives    So their argument is:  do not destroy both our identities at once   ✅ So it is not:  betrayal nor switching  But:  dual belonging (simultaneity, not replacement)   4. Hersilia’s special role Hersilia is often singled out as:  leader of the women mediator  She therefore becomes:  symbol of concordia   Important Even if she had a prior status:  the tradition absorbs it into her mediating role not into biographical consistency   5. Your succession question (very perceptive) You ask:  was Numa chosen because no “mixed” heir was suitable?   What the sources actually say After Romulus:  there is an interregnum then the Romans choose:  Numa Pompilius (a Sabine) [en.wikipedia.org]    And importantly:  this reflects:  dual population (Roman + Sabine)     ✅ So: Numa’s selection is indeed:  a political compromise between peoples   ❗ But: No source explicitly says:  “we rejected a half-breed heir”  That is: ❌ not attested  ✅ Your idea (interpretive but interesting): It fits structurally:  founder generation = unstable blending next king = externally neutral Sabine   6. Was Hersilia “non-virginal” at marriage? ✅ Yes (in several traditions)  she is explicitly:  already married or taken by mistake among married women [pantheon.org]    This is important:  she is not:  a standard virgin bride   but:  an exceptional case     ✅ So: Her role already destabilizes:  the simple “young maiden abducted” model   7. Final synthesis  We do not know the name of any prior Sabine husband of Hersilia; instead, sources disagree about whether she was already married at all, and if so, often assign her to Hostus Hostilius rather than a Sabine spouse. This creates exactly the ambiguity you identify in the Sabine women’s plea: while rhetorically framed as fathers vs husbands, the presence of a figure like Hersilia destabilizes the clean opposition by introducing overlapping identities and possibly successive marital bonds. The tradition suppresses this complexity in order to preserve the symbolic structure—women as mediators between two peoples—while allowing Hersilia to function as the paradigmatic agent of concordia. The succession of Numa reflects a political balancing of Roman and Sabine elements, though the idea of excluding “mixed descent” heirs is not explicitly stated in the sources and remains an interpretive inference.   ✅ One-line conclusion (in your idiom):  Hersilia is the exception that proves the rule: her ambiguous marital status exposes the instability that the formula “parentes … coniuges” tries to conceal, even as the myth insists on a clean opposition between origins and outcomes.   If you like, we can next look at Livy’s Latin for the women’s intervention itself, to see exactly how he encodes (or conceals) this ambiguity.

 

Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Te

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Telesio – Ossia: Grice e Telesio: la ragione conversazionale del filosofo sperimentale – la scuola di Cosenza. Note sul De rerum natura iuxta propria principia Bernardino Telesio (Cosenza, Calabria): la ragione conversazionale del filosofo sperimentale – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning explains how hearers rationally derive speaker-meaning that goes beyond what is strictly said by presuming a cooperative, purposive exchange and inferring implicatures when an utterance would otherwise look oddly uninformative, irrelevant, or indirect; the Telesio passage invites a comparison in which “reason” is relocated from conversational normativity to method, namely the empiricist demand that nature be understood “according to its own principles” rather than by Aristotelian a priori machinery. Online scholarship on Telesio emphasizes that he is cast (famously by Bacon) as “the first of the moderns” and that his De natura iuxta propria principia (first published 1565, later expanded) insists on the primacy of sense perception and observation in natural philosophy, rejecting Aristotelian hylomorphism and explaining nature via active principles (notably heat and cold) acting on matter; this sets up a productive contrast with Grice, who is not primarily concerned with how we know the world but with how we make ourselves intelligible to one another in talk. Still, the shared hinge is anti-dogmatism about “reason”: Telesio attacks scholastic reasoning that outruns experience, while Grice attacks a semantics that ignores the rational expectations governing actual conversation, showing that much of what we communicate is not encoded but responsibly inferable. In the vignette’s etymological play around em-pereia, ex-perior, and per-capio, “experience” becomes itself a site of implicit meaning: the speaker invites the hearer to supply what the term-construction suggests about method and epistemic authority, a micro-level analogue of Telesio’s macro-level program of letting nature (and not inherited theory) constrain inference. So, where Telesio’s “reason” is disciplined by observation and the autonomy of natura rerum (a methodological rationality aimed at knowledge of the world), Grice’s “reason” is disciplined by cooperative norms and the calculability of implicature (a pragmatic rationality aimed at mutual understanding), and the comparison becomes: Telesio reforms the sources of warranted belief about nature, whereas Grice formalizes the sources of warranted inference about what a speaker means in conversation. Grice italico Mentre le sue teorie naturali sono state successivamente smentite, la sua enfasi sull'osservazione fa il primo dei moderni che alla fine hanno sviluppato il metodo scientifico. Nato da genitori nobili, è istruito a Milano dallo zio, lui stesso uno studioso e poeta di eminenza, e poi a Roma e Padova. I suoi studi hanno incluso tutta la vasta gamma di argomenti, classici, scienza e FILOSOFIA, che costitusceno il curriculum degli rinascimentali sapienti. Così equipaggiata, inizia il suo attacco sul LIZIO medievale che poi fiorisce a Padova e Bologna. Fonda l’Accademia cosentina. Per un certo periodo vive nella casa del duca di Nocera. Il suo grande saggio è “Sulla natura delle cose secondo i loro propri principi,” seguito da un gran numero di saggi di importanza sussidiaria. L’opinioni eterodosse che mantenne suscitano l'ira di Roma per conto del suo amato LIZIO. Tutti i suoi saggi sono stati immessi sul “Index.” Invece di postulare materia e FORMA, T. basa l'esistenza sulla materia e FORZA. Questa forza ha due elementi opposti. Il primo elemento è il calore, che espande la materia. Il secondo è il freddo, che la contræ. Questi due processi rappresentano tutte le tipi di esistenza, mentre la MASSA su cui opera la FORZA rimane la stessa. L'armonia del tutto consiste nel fatto che ogni cosa separata sviluppa in sé e per sé conformemente alla sua natura e allo stesso tempo la sua MOSSA avvantaggia il resto. empirismo, teoria della percezione, l’anima d’Aristotele, l’analogia, l’uomo e gl’animali, la ragione, i antici, contro i antici, osservazione, percezione, la tradizione empirista italiana, il Telesio di Bacone, sperimento, sperienza, esperienza, ex-perior, esperire – Latino ex-perior, Gr. em-pereia, osservazione, osservare – observatum, percipere – percezione per-capio.  G: 1939. You look as though you have smuggled Clarendon into my room. S: Sir, Clarendon smuggled itself into my room. I merely failed to resist. G: That is the Oxford defence: non-resistance as scholarship. Now, you said you found Fowler. S: I did. He is meticulous in the way only an Oxford editor can afford to be. G: Meaning: meticulous because he has already eaten. S: Precisely, sir. Fowler’s Introduction. He calls Telesio a precursor. G: Read the Fowler bit you’ve got. Slowly. Pretend you are not pleased. S: From Fowler’s Introduction, on the precursors of Bacon. He says Bacon called Telesio novorum hominum primus. G: That phrase is the hinge. Now, I want it in its habitat. What is Fowler actually doing with it. S: He is doing what Oxford does: building a genealogy so that Bacon’s empiricism looks less like a stunt and more like an inheritance. G: Good. Continue. S: Fowler says, in effect, that Telesio is the first of the moderns who made any successful attempt to construct a system on a physical basis. G: That is the English gloss. Now, the Latin. S: The Latin is Bacon’s, quoted by Fowler: novorum hominum primus. G: Minimal Latin, maximal claim. Now, S, tell me what you think Bacon meant by “new men.” S: Men who stop repeating Aristotle in the same breath as they claim to be observing nature. G: Quite. “New” in Bacon’s mouth is anti-scholastic, not merely chronological. S: But why Telesio, sir. Why not Galileo. G: Because Bacon is not compiling an Italian honour-roll. He is identifying a certain kind of rebellion: a natural philosophy built on “physical” principles rather than on scholastic forms. S: So Telesio is “new” because he turns to heat and cold, and to the senses, and makes nature explain itself. G: Exactly. Bacon likes any man who demotes syllogism and promotes experience, even if the man’s physics is later wrong. S: That sounds like your future method, sir. G: My future method is not to have one. Bacon’s method is to have a method and then call it modest. S: So Fowler is treating Telesio as a bridge. G: Yes. The word “bridge” is important. It means there is a gap: scholastics on one side, Bacon on the other, and Telesio as the first plank. S: And you want me to say where Bacon might have heard of Telesio. G: I want you to resist inventing a charming story. Give me the sober channels. S: Books. G: More. S: Continental scholarly circulation. Italian natural philosophy was not exactly secret by then. G: And? S: Bacon’s own circle of learned correspondents. He reads widely in Renaissance natural philosophy. G: Good. Also: Telesio’s De rerum natura had been published and discussed; and in the learned ecosystem, “Telesius” becomes a name for the anti-Aristotelian. S: So Bacon didn’t have to meet anyone. He had to meet a book. G: Precisely. Now, you said something about De principiis atque originibus. S: Fowler says the phrase comes from Bacon’s De principiis atque originibus. G: Good. And what does that tell you, historically. S: That the “novorum hominum primus” remark is not a casual aside in Novum Organum itself, but part of Bacon’s Latin philosophical writing from the early 1610s. G: And therefore: Fowler is cross-referencing Bacon’s own internal corpus to explain the method. S: Meticulous, sir. G: Meticulous enough that, without his Clarendon enterprise, you and I would be not primus but ultimi among the moderns. S: That is a bit harsh, sir. G: It is affectionate. Now, read another Fowler point. The one about precursors. S: Fowler places Telesio among Bacon’s precursors, and says he broke with Aristotelian tradition. G: There. That is the Oxford function: a precursor is someone you can praise without having to obey. S: Then Bacon praises him as first, but doesn’t follow him as master. G: Exactly. It is a ranking, not a discipleship. S: Sir, is novorum hominum primus the same as “primus modernorum.” G: Near enough for our purposes, but note the nuance. Modernorum is a later label; Bacon says novorum hominum, the “new men,” which has more polemical bite. It sounds like a party forming. S: Like a club. G: Like a club that refuses to call itself a club. Now, you said you wanted me to test you on empiricism. So: what is Fowler trying to do with Bacon. S: He is trying to show that Bacon is not merely a slogan about induction, but a concrete reformer of method, and that he had antecedents, and that his break was prepared. G: Good. And Telesio functions as the earliest “successful” physical system. S: Successful in the sense of attempted, not true. G: Exactly. Successful as an act of emancipation. S: And now you want the dry humour. G: I want you to notice the Oxford irony. Fowler is Wykeham Professor of Logic. He edits Bacon’s anti-syllogistic manifesto. So Oxford employs a logician to edit the book that tells you logic is too late a remedy. S: That is very Oxford, sir. G: Now, recite the Latin again, and make it sound like an aphorism, because Fowler is an aphorism man. S: Novorum hominum primus. G: Now imagine Bacon saying it with the tone of a judge. S: “First among the new men.” G: And then imagine Fowler saying it with the tone of a don who wants a footnote to do the violence. S: He would add: “from De principiis atque originibus.” G: Exactly. Oxford violence is always deferred to a reference. S: Sir, if Telesio is first, who is second. G: Bacon would not say. That would create obligations. S: Fowler might. G: Fowler might, because editors live by lists. But remember: lists are not arguments. S: Then the most relevant question is: first in what respect. G: Precisely. First in abandoning Aristotle as the principal explanatory engine. First in trying to build “on a physical basis.” S: But Telesio still has a system. He is not a mere collector of observations. G: That’s why Bacon can both admire and surpass him. Bacon wants system, but built by controlled induction rather than by a few large physical oppositions. S: Heat and cold versus Bacon’s tables and instances. G: Exactly. Now, you wanted this to be a tutorial. So I ask you: what is empiricism. S: A commitment to experience, observation, experiment, as a primary source of knowledge, and suspicion of purely a priori systems. G: Too general. Make it Baconian. S: Baconian empiricism is method: the reform of how we move from particulars to axioms, plus a critique of “idols” that distort the mind. G: Better. Now, where does Telesio fit into that. S: As a precursor who privileges observation and nature’s own principles over scholastic explanations, but without Bacon’s full inductive machinery. G: Good. Now, S, in your own tone: why would an Oxford philosopher care in 1939. S: Because Oxford likes to pretend it invented sober method, and this reminds it that Italians were trying to rebuild nature on experience long before Oxford made it a virtue. G: Excellent. Also because 1939 makes everyone look for beginnings. When the world is about to be broken, you become sentimental about origins. S: And about firsts, sir. G: Exactly. Now we must keep one thing clear: we have not yet pinned the exact Bacon sentence around novorum hominum primus, only the phrase itself as Fowler quotes it. S: So to be fully proper we would retrieve the De principiis passage. G: Yes. Fowler points; we verify. That’s the empiricist part. S: Sir, I can do one more thing: I can look in the Fowler volume for “Telesius” in the index. G: You will, and you will discover that Fowler anticipated your laziness. S: He is the first of the moderns, sir. G: No. He is the last of the Victorians. Which, in Oxford, is the same compliment. Grice: Caro Telesio, ti vedo proprio raggiante! Chi l’avrebbe mai detto che Bononia, una volta roccaforte dell’anti-empirismo, oggi si vanta di mettere l’empirismo al centro. Deve essere una vera rivincita, eh? Telesio: Hai proprio ragione, Grice! Bononia era nota per difendere strenuamente l’anti-empirismo… e se non fosse stato per quel famoso “Lizio”, che non nominiamo mai direttamente, a tener viva la ἐμπειρία, chissà dove sarebbero finiti i filosofi! Alla fine, persino le mura odoravano di aristotelismo ma con un pizzico di em-pereia greca. Grice: Ah, la ἐμπειρία! Cicero ancora si sveglia di notte sudando freddo, pensando a come tradurla. “Ex-perior”? “Per-capio”? Forse avrebbe voluto semplicemente un bel “sento-cose”, ma i latini non si accontentavano mai! Se l’avessero lasciata in greco, almeno risparmiavano qualche mal di testa... Telesio: Immagino Cicero seduto con il dizionario, inventando parole come “esperire” o “ex-perior”, mentre il povero Lizio rideva sotto i baffi. Alla fine, la vera esperienza è capire che tradurre la ἐμπειρία è più difficile che sperimentarla! Dai, brindiamo all’empirismo e alle etimologie impossibili! GRICE’S WEEKLY ESSAY ASSIGNMENT. What work by Telesio did Bacon not read to justify his characterisation of the former as prius modernorum? Typewriting disallowed. Handwriting counts. Telesio, Bernardino (1565). De rerum natura iuxta propria principia. Napoli: Cancer

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Terenzio – Ossia: Grice e Terenzio: linguistica filosofica– Utterer’s meaning, sentence-meaning, and word-meaning -- la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della semiotica filosofica – la scuola di Rieti  Note su “De antiquitate litterarum (ad L. Accium).” Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Marco Terenzio Varrone (Rieti, Lazio): Compared institutionally, Grice and Varro are not comparable in the academic sense at all. Grice’s formula is exact in the modern Oxford sense. Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s means a college office with tutorials, students, and membership in the governing life of the college. CUF University Lecturer in philosophy means a university-wide faculty appointment. So Grice combines the two classic Oxford functions: college tutor and university lecturer. Varro, by contrast, was not a don, not a fellow, and not a university lecturer. He was a Roman polymath, landowner, magistrate, military and political figure, and man of letters, whose authority came from public office, erudition, and literary production rather than from a formal school or chair. The standard modern reference works identify [Marcus Terentius Varro as a Roman scholar and author of [De lingua Latina, [Res rusticae, and many other lost works, while also serving as quaestor, tribune, and provincial magistrate. So the clean institutional contrast is this. Grice was a modern Oxford philosopher with a dual college-and-university role. [Varro, by contrast, was an ancient Roman polymath and public intellectual, not an academic office-holder in any modern sense. That institutional difference actually sharpens the intellectual comparison very nicely. Grice works at the micro-level of rational communication: how a hearer gets from what is said to what is meant by recognising intentions and inferring implicatures under shared conversational norms. [Varro, by contrast, works at the macro-level of linguistic order: how a language becomes and remains meaningful across time through naming, usage, analogy, anomaly, and civic transmission. He is not giving a theory of utterer’s meaning; he is trying to understand Latin as a public artifact — its vocabulary, inflection, etymology, and internal regularities. The standard presentations of [De lingua Latina emphasize exactly those concerns: etymology, analogy versus anomaly, the origins and uses of words, and the public history of Latin. So if you want the sharpest formulation, it is this. Grice explains how one utterance comes to mean more than it literally says. Varro explains how one language comes to have meanings at all, and how a community preserves and adjusts those meanings over time. That is why your contrast between utterer’s meaning, sentence-meaning, and word-meaning is genuinely apt. Grice builds conventional meaning upward from occasion-meaning. Varro reconstructs present meaning downward from public practice, naming, and inherited linguistic structure. The difference is methodological too. For Grice, normativity lies primarily in the inferential expectations of an exchange. For Varro, normativity lies in Latinitas, in the disciplined description of usage and form, and in the community’s long linguistic memory. Your Varro material is also largely well chosen, but two corrections matter. First, the bibliographic line “Varrone, Marco Terenzio (DCLXVIII A.V.C.). De antiquitate litterarum (ad L. Accium). Roma.” is not safe as a standard citation. De antiquitate litterarum is a lost work known indirectly, not something one can cite as if it were a surviving Roman publication in Rome with a simple date line. So I would not use that as a primary bibliographic anchor unless clearly marked as a lost work reconstructed from testimonia. Second, if you want the cleanest secure Varro anchor, use [De lingua Latina itself, which survives in part and is the obvious basis for your linguistic-philosophical comparison. Modern standard references identify [De lingua Latina as Varro’s central surviving work on language. So the short clean answer is: H. P. Grice was an Oxford don in the precise collegiate sense, both Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s College and CUF University Lecturer in philosophy at Oxford. [Varro, by contrast, was a Roman polymath, magistrate, and scholar, active in the worlds of public office, landholding, and literary antiquarianism rather than in any university system. Institutionally they are not comparable. Intellectually, however, the contrast is illuminating: Grice analyses the inferential micro-mechanics of utterer’s meaning and implicature, whereas [Varro reconstructs the historical and civic macro-order of Latin itself — how words are imposed, transmitted, varied, and made coherent within a linguistic community. And if I compress it into one line: Grice theorises how speakers mean; Varro theorises how a language means. If you want, I can now give you a tighter one-paragraph entry in your preferred style, or a brief bibliographic note distinguishing the secure [De lingua Latina from the lost [De antiquitate litterarum.LINGUISTICA FILOSOFICA. Utterer’s meaning, sentence-meaning, and word-meaning -- la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della semiotica filosofica, Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning starts from utterer’s meaning: what a speaker means is fixed by a complex, audience-directed intention whose recognition is supposed to play a rational role in the hearer’s uptake; sentence-meaning and word-meaning are then treated as derivative, stabilized patterns over many occasions, and conversational implicature is the rational, rule-guided enrichment whereby hearers work out what is meant beyond what is strictly said. Varro offers a strikingly different but complementary ancestor-picture: in De lingua Latina he treats Latin as a public, historically layered system whose significations emerge from impositio (the bestowal of words), from consuetudo (usage), and from the competing pressures of analogy and anomaly, so that the rationality governing meaning is less a micro-pragmatic logic of intentions and more a macro-rational order of linguistic practice—how a civitas keeps a shared lexicon coherent despite change, irregularity, and etymological opacity. Where Grice locates normativity primarily in the cooperative expectations of a talk-exchange (maxim-guided inference from utterance to intended meaning), Varro locates it in Latinitas and in the disciplined description of how words signify across time, registers (populus, poeta, orator), and institutional memory; Grice’s “reason” is the hearer’s rational reconstruction of intention in context, Varro’s “reason” is the grammarian-antiquarian’s reconstruction of why these words, in this community, have the values they do. The contrast can be sharpened by their favored explanatory directions: Grice explains conventional meaning by building up from occasion-meaning, while Varro often explains present meanings by tracing downward from civic usage and inherited naming practices (including etymology), with the result that Grice’s implicature highlights what speakers responsibly leave unsaid, whereas Varro’s linguistic philosophy highlights what a language, as a collective artifact, can mean and continue to mean even when no individual speaker is consciously managing the inferential load. Studies in the way of words. Keywords: studies in the way of words, Grice, Mundle: Grice regarded ordinary language as the language employed by anyone who got a first in Greats. Philosophy was introduced only upon completion of five terms into your B. A. Lit. Hum., since philosophy was not taught under a separate subject at Oxford, but under classics. Filosofo lazio. Filosofo italiano. Rieti, Lazio. Grice: “I count Varrone as the first language philosopher. He woke up one day, and realised he was speaking ‘lingua latina,’ and dedicated 36 volumes to it!” --. Grice: “’Lingua latina’ has a nice Roman ring to it. In modern Italian, the ‘t’ has become an ‘z,’ as in “Lazio,  -- the calcio team from Latium – or a ‘d’ as in ‘ladino.’” Grice: “I know his Loeb edition by heart!” – Grice: “The Greeks never studied their lingo as V. studied his! Of this Austin always reminded me: ‘We should be like Varro, analysing our tongue as a ‘fluid’ semiotic system!’”. Academic, Roman polymath, author of essays on language, agriculture, history and  philosophy, as well as satires, and principal conversationalist in CICERONE’s "Academica.” Questore della repubblica romana. Gens: Terentia. Questura in Illyricum. Pro-pretura in Spagna. Tu ci hai fatto luce su ogni epoca della patria, sulle fasi della sua cronologia, sulle norme dei suoi rituali, sulle sue cariche sacerdotali, sugli istituti civili e militari, sulla dislocazione dei suoi quartieri e vari punti, su nomi, generi, su doveri e cause dei nostri affari, sia divini che umani -- CICERONE, Academica Posteriora. Detto reatino, attributo che lo distingue da “Varrone Atacino,” vissuto nello stesso periodo. Nato da una famiglia di nobili origini, ha rilevanti proprietà terriere in Sabina. centro di studi varroniani, idioma, idiom, lingua latina, lingua anglica, Lazio, Lazini, la lingua del Lazio, Prisciano, Donato, Girolamo, Giulio Cesare, semiotica filosofica.  G.  Today: Ἑρμηνείας. De interpretatione. The bit everyone quotes and nobody digests. A.  Everyone digests it. They just do it lazily. G.  Lazy digestion is the root of most philosophy. Now: Aristotle gives us a chain. Start it. A.  γράμματα— G.  Not quite. He says γράμματα, but you want the unit: γράμμα. Each γράμμα. A.  Each γράμμα is a σημεῖον of a φωνή. G.  Careful: “σημεῖον” or “σύμβολον”? A.  A sign, at any rate. G.  He is fussy. We should be fussy. Move on. A.  Each φωνή is a σημεῖον of a πάθημα, or a φάντασμα, or something in the soul. G.  He says τὰ ἐν τῇ ψυχῇ παθήματα. But yes: the mental item. A.  And those παθήματα are ὁμοιώματα of πράγματα. G.  There. πράγματα. Not “things” in the nursery sense; things as the world’s furniture. A.  So: γράμμα → φωνή → πάθημα → πράγμα. G.  And he insists the first link varies between languages, the last two do not. A.  So the γραφικό and the φωνητικό are conventional; the psychic and the worldly are common. G.  Good. That’s the official picture. Now your hateful question. A.  Why is a γράμμα a σημεῖον of a φωνή and not of a word? G.  Because Aristotle is building it compositionally: smallest pieces first. A.  That’s your obsession too—minimal units. G.  It’s not an obsession, it’s a method. Now, you’ve brought Varro. A.  I have. Because you make the Greeks sound as if they invented the alphabet. G.  They did not invent it, they adopted it. A.  And Varro wrote De antiquitate litterarum ad L. Accium. G.  Don’t say it with reverence. A.  He dedicated it to Lucius Accius. L. Acc. G.  The Shakespeare of his day, as people insist. A.  And your own dating: A.V.C. ante DCLXVIII. G.  “Before 668,” yes, since Accius is dead by c. 86 BC. A.  So Varro is about thirty when he writes it. G.  Roughly, yes. And now you want to drag him into De interpretatione as if Rome were a footnote to Athens. A.  Not a footnote. A parallel. If γράμμα is like littera, then what does Varro call a sequence of litterae? G.  A word, if he’s in the Varro mood; a verbum if he’s feeling technical. A.  But that’s exactly what bothers me. Varro’s fragment you quoted says: hinc quidam loquelam dixerunt verbum. G.  That’s loquela, not littera. A.  Still: someone says X is verbum. People slide levels. G.  Yes. That’s why grammarians exist: to keep the sliding from being mistaken for insight. A.  But Aristotle himself slides: he goes from γράμματα to φωναί to παθήματα as if it’s clean. G.  It is clean as an analysis, not as a history. A.  Then: Cratylus. Socrates wants sounds to resemble things, onomatopoeia, iconism. G.  And you want to accuse Aristotle of being a closet Cratylist? A.  No. I want to ask: if letters are signs of sounds, could they be more than conventional? Could they be iconic? G.  In writing? Not likely. The scribble is rarely a picture of the sound. A.  Unless it’s like “buzz.” G.  That’s not writing, that’s English being childish. A.  Then why does Socrates fuss about the shape of sounds, not just the meanings? G.  Because he is playing for Hermogenes, who thinks names are mere convention. Socrates overcorrects to show that “mere convention” is too easy. A.  So Cratylus is an exaggeration for dialectical effect. G.  Precisely. And Varro is not doing that. Varro is talking to Accius, who cares about letters in a practical, literary way. A.  So Varro’s “antiquity of letters” is about the alphabet: A B C, or rather A B V X. G.  Yes. Not “literature” in the modern sense. Litterae as marks and their history. A.  Then Aristotle’s γράμμα is a littera. G.  Close enough, though Aristotle’s γράμμα can also mean “lettered writing” broadly. But yes: the segment. A.  A minimal mark that corresponds to a minimal sound. G.  “Corresponds” is already doing too much. A.  Then say: stands for. G.  Better. But now: you wanted “first articulation” and “second articulation.” A.  Yes. Sounds vs meaningful units. G.  Phonemes vs morphemes, in modern jargon. A.  So Aristotle is doing the first articulation: φωνή and γράμμα. G.  And then he moves to the meaningful units: names and verbs, ὄνομα and ῥῆμα. A.  Which already ruins the idea that everything is just “nomen.” G.  Good. Now, your example? A.  “Soot” and “suit.” G.  Don’t torment me. In some mouths, “suit” collapses into “soot,” and then my orderly mapping of letters to sounds to meanings becomes a farce. A.  It bothers you more than it bothers me. G.  Because it is an assault on the dignity of distinctness. A.  But that’s exactly the point: the γράμμα isn’t a stable sign of the φωνή across dialects. G.  Aristotle knows this. He says the written marks and the spoken sounds vary across peoples. A.  So the γράμμα–φωνή link is local convention. G.  Yes, but local convention can still be rule-governed. A.  Now: “oo” and “ui.” Are they two letters, one sound, one diphthong, or two phonemes? G.  In English, “oo” is two letters often marking one vowel; “ui” in “suit” is a historical muddle. A.  In Varro’s terms, both are two litterae. G.  Unless he treats “u” and “v” as the same, which he might in his antiquity-of-letters mood. A.  Then the writing system itself is unstable. G.  Writing systems are always unstable until someone bullies them into a grammar. A.  And Aristotle is the bully here. G.  He’s the analyst. Bullies come later. A.  What about one letter that is meaningful? Like “a” in “a man.” G.  You’re smuggling English articles into Greek ontology. A.  But it’s a good counterexample: one letter in print can be a whole word. G.  Then Aristotle’s “γράμμα is σημεῖον of φωνή” doesn’t capture that a single γράμμα could correspond to a meaningful utterance. A.  Exactly. G.  But Aristotle’s claim is not that a letter is never a word. It’s that letters are the elements out of which words are constructed. A.  Yet construction can yield a word of one element. G.  Yes. “A” is a one-letter word in English. Latin has “a” as a preposition in some contexts, and “e” as “from,” and “o” as vocative particle. A.  So a single littera can be significans per se. G.  But then it is functioning not as “letter” but as “word” that happens to be one letter long. A.  That sounds like a dodge. G.  It’s a distinction, not a dodge. Length is not category. A.  Varro would love that. He’s forever sorting. G.  Varro is forever sorting, yes. Which is why I don’t like him being dragged into Aristotle as if he were an improvement. A.  But Priscian cites him. G.  That is what saves Varro from my irritation. If Priscian cites you, you have become grammar. A.  Why does Priscian cite De antiquitate litterarum? G.  To support claims about letter origins, names, counts, and orthography—authority for the Latin alphabet’s story. A.  So Varro becomes evidence. G.  Yes. Not theory, but testimony. A.  Aristotle is theory. G.  Yes. Not testimony, but structure. A.  Yet both are doing semiotics: signs and what they are signs of. G.  Both are doing it, but in different moods. Aristotle wants a general chain; Varro wants a Roman genealogy of marks. A.  And Socrates in Cratylus wants a fantasy that sounds resemble things. G.  A fantasy used to embarrass a crude conventionalism, yes. A.  Then where do we stand on the γράμμα as σημεῖον? G.  We stand here: it’s a minimal conventional graphic token correlated with a minimal phonetic token, under a system that is learnable and therefore public. A.  And the phonetic token is a σημεῖον of the mental token? G.  Of the πάθημα, yes, but not as a natural sign like smoke of fire. Aristotle wants it to be shared across humans, but not arbitrary in the same way letters are arbitrary. A.  Yet mental tokens vary too. G.  Less than letters, he thinks. Enough to make translation possible. A.  But our “soot/suit” problem shows sound categories vary. G.  That’s fine; Aristotle allows that. A.  Does he allow that the πάθημα could vary as much as the sound? G.  He would rather not. A.  Because then you get relativism. G.  Exactly. And philosophers dislike that more than they dislike bad spelling. A.  Speaking of spelling: Lewis and Short say loquela is “incorrectly written loquella.” G.  Yes. Imagine if a little Oxford dictionary scolded you for double consonants as if the language were a moral pupil. A.  Yet Oxford does scold. G.  Oxford scolds socially, not lexically. Varro scolds lexically. A.  So Varro is more Oxford than you think. G.  Don’t say that; it flatters him. A.  Now: if γράμμα is like littera, what is the Greek for “sequence of letters”? G.  συλλαβή for syllable, maybe; λόγος for word or account; but don’t pretend it maps neatly. A.  And Varro’s Latin for “sequence of letters”? G.  If he’s being technical: syllaba, verbum, perhaps. A.  And if a single letter is meaningful, that collapses the “first articulation / second articulation” neatness. G.  It shows the neatness is analytic, not ontological. A.  So the “componential” picture is a tool. G.  Exactly. A tool to explain how complex signs can be built from smaller ones. A.  Not a claim that the world respects our levels. G.  The world rarely respects our levels. Only grammar tries. A.  Which brings us back to Varro: De antiquitate litterarum ad Luc. Acc. G.  Lucius Accius, yes. A.  Why would Varro write to him? G.  Because Accius was an old authority on letters and literature; dedicating to him is a way of placing your work under a prestigious name. A.  Like a modern foreword by someone famous. G.  Exactly. A.  So it’s an implicature: “treat this as serious scholarship.” G.  Yes. Dedications are pragmatic devices. A.  And Aristotle is doing something similar by starting De interpretatione with this chain: he’s staking out seriousness. G.  He’s staking out method. A.  So where does “symbolon” come in? G.  He uses σύμβολα for the spoken sounds as symbols of the affections in the soul, depending on your text; the key is that the relation is conventional at the outer links. A.  So letters and sounds are conventional symbols; mental affections are natural likenesses of things. G.  That’s the core. A.  And Cratylus tries to make even sounds natural likenesses. G.  Yes, and that’s the overreach. A.  And Varro is not overreaching; he’s antiquarian. G.  Precisely. He is collecting the genealogy of the marks, not insisting that the marks resemble the things. A.  So he would not care that “soot” and “suit” collapse in some mouths. G.  He would care if it affected spelling reforms. A.  Would he? G.  He would at least note it with disapproval and then propose an analogy. A.  Then: one-letter meaning in Latin. You mentioned “e” and “a” and “o.” G.  Yes. And “I” as an interjection sometimes, and “O” as vocative particle. A.  So a single littera can stand for a whole utterance. G.  It can, but it is then a written abbreviation of a spoken particle. A.  Which makes the γράμμα–φωνή link one-to-many, not one-to-one. G.  Almost always. One-to-one is a schoolmaster’s fantasy. A.  Yet Aristotle begins as if it’s tidy. G.  He begins with the tidy chain to show the kinds of dependence, not the exact cardinalities. A.  And your “soot/suit” irritation is just you wanting cardinalities. G.  It is me wanting the world to stop being messy in my presence. A.  It won’t. G.  No. A.  Then what do we teach in the class? G.  We teach that meaning has levels: graphic, phonetic, psychic, worldly—and that you can ask at which level the stability lies. A.  And we bring in Varro as a cautionary note: litterae are historical artefacts. G.  Yes, but briefly. I don’t want Rome to colonise Aristotle. A.  But you’ll admit Priscian makes Varro unavoidable. G.  I admit it. When Priscian cites you, you get a visa. A.  And Accius? G.  Accius gets the dedication because he is a name that forces attention. A.  Like “Shakespeare.” G.  Don’t say that in front of a classicist. He’ll start a war. A.  So our punchline? G.  That Aristotle gives you a chain that looks universal, Varro gives you letters that look eternal, and then the English language produces “soot/suit” to remind you that even civilisation is a dialect. A.  And that A.V.C. is just a way of spelling A.U.C. with more self-respect. G.  Exactly.Griceus: Salvē Varro! Ego plurimum admiror opus tuum De Lingua Latina; tot volumina ad linguam Latinam explicandam dedicas! Varro: Gricee, gratias ago pro verbis tuis benignis. Lingua quidem Latina, ut corpus vivum, discenda atque explananda est: verba originem, usum, mutationemque suam ostendunt. In operibus meis indagavi, quid sit verbum, quid sententia, et quomodo significationes nascuntur inter locutorem et auditorem. Sine scrutinio huius generis, ratio nostra conversandi obscurior maneret.  Griceus: Sapienter, mi Varro! Ego ipse opinor sensum sermonis non solum in verbis, sed in mente dicentis quaerendum esse. “Utterer’s meaning” — id est, quid mente concepit is qui loquitur — fons est omnium implicaturarum. Tu, primus inter Romanos, ostendisti linguam non solum signa, sed etiam rationes inter homines construere.  Varro: Recte dicis, Gricee. Facile est videre linguam esse non solum instrumentum ad res dicendas, sed etiam viam ad mentes coniungendas. Ut aiunt antiqui nostri: “Verba volant, sed significationes manent.” Vestris in studiis philosophicis, gaudeo videre vestigia quaestionum quas et ego olim tractavi. Unusquisque nostrum, per verba, ad communem intelligentiam studet. I am told that 'Varrone' is used in Italian as a 'know-it-all. Speranza wonders -- and you can keep the dry humour in the answer -- if that translated exactly to English. I mean, Speranza can imagine that in the days of Grice's Clifton, 'He is a Varro' would carry THAT implicature. And it may be to avoid SUCH implicature that Grice opted for philosophy, rather than stick with the classics --for it is not 'erudition' that Grice or Speranza is searching -- but something else -- call it 'philosophia'. Grice is calls it 'the search for reasons in any reasonable rational or intelligent individual and I have to thank Father for that -- non-conformist as he was.' But the point then is to check for uses of 'Varrone' in Italian to mean this 'know it all' or 'brain' and whether the exact appelation or rigid designation to 'Varro' crossed the channel? Thanks. Speranza’s suspicion is not foolish. In Italian, Varrone can indeed hover as a cultural shorthand for the excessively learned man, the encyclopaedic head, the person who knows too much or, depending on the speaker’s charity, appears to. That is not quite the same thing as the modern colloquial know-it-all, which Italian more straightforwardly expresses with sapientone, saccente, saputello, or even the more comic sputasentenze. The common modern pejorative field is clearly centred there rather than on Varrone. sapientone and sapientone are the ordinary lexicographical answers for “know-it-all,” and even popular explanatory sources gloss the type in just those terms. [dailyitali...nwords.com], [dictionary...everso.net], [italoamericano.org], [collinsdic...ionary.com], [dictionary...bridge.org] So the dry answer is that if someone in Italian calls a man un Varrone, the force is likely to be literary and allusive rather than the plain everyday insult one would get from sapientone. It would suggest a Varro-like breadth of antiquarian or lexical erudition, perhaps with a hint that the poor creature has read everything except the room. That is a subtler and more educated jab than merely saying he is a know-it-all. It belongs more to the register of “polymath,” “encyclopaedist,” “pedant,” or “vastly learned fellow” than to the schoolyard cry of “smart-aleck.” Since Marcus Terentius Varro remains the Roman exemplar of prodigious learning, modern scholarship itself still treats “Varronian” as meaning encyclopaedic, antiquarian, and learned in range. [en.wikipedia.org], [jstor.org], [cambridge.org], [classicalstudies.org] Did that exact appellation cross the Channel? Not in any robust or everyday sense. English certainly knows Varro as the Roman scholar, and educated classicists could perfectly well use “a Varro” or “Varronian” to suggest immense erudition, antiquarian range, or scholarly overload. But there is no strong evidence, at least from the standard record one can quickly recover, that “He is a Varro” became a settled English idiom for “He is a know-it-all.” If it was ever used at Clifton or in similar classical school atmospheres, it would have been just the sort of learned private allusion that schoolmasters and boys enjoyed because it excluded the uninitiated. In other words, Speranza may well imagine it, and one can easily hear it, but one should not treat it as an established public English usage. It would be a cultivated implicature, not a dictionary entry. [en.wikipedia.org], [collinsdic...ionary.com] And that, of course, is where the joke grows better. To call someone “a Varro” in a classical environment would likely carry the implicature not only of learning, but of the wrong kind of learning: learnedness as accumulation, lexicon, antiquarian mass, perhaps even the sort of scholarly over-success from which philosophy was supposed to rescue the more restless mind. That would fit Grice very nicely. One can imagine him preferring philosophy to a merely Varronian fate not because he disliked the classics, still less because he feared scholarship, but because what he wanted was not erudition as such. He wanted reasons, and the traffic of reasons, in any rational or reasonable intelligence whatever. Varro gives one inventory; Grice wanted inquiry. So yes: in Italian, Varrone can work as a learned type-name for the over-erudite man, though not as the ordinary colloquial equivalent of sapientone; in English, “a Varro” would be intelligible to classicists, but it never seems to have become a widely settled idiom. The Channel was crossed, if at all, by implication rather than by custom. So this was Terenzio Varrone, gens: Terenzia. Any other members of that gens -- or the Terenzia Varrone? Yes. Marco Terenzio Varrone belongs, in the ordinary Roman naming sense, to the gens Terentia. Terenzio is simply the Italian form of Terentius, and in Varro’s case the full Roman name points clearly enough to that gens. Varrone is not another gens, but the cognomen by which he is remembered. As to other members, the gens Terentia is much better attested than the modestly lit corners of the Velleii, but one should still distinguish between famous literary bearers, politically visible bearers, and merely onomastic ones. The best-known Terentius for most readers is not Varro at all, but Publius Terentius Afer, the comic playwright Terence. He is of course a different branch and a very different sort of figure, but he immediately shows that the Terentii were not a one-man shelf. Another very familiar name is Terentia, Cicero’s wife, though that is the feminine form of the gens-name and belongs to the practice by which Roman women bore the nomen in feminine shape. So yes, the Terentia/Terentii are a real and recognisable Roman gens, not a solitary label attached to Varro. If one asks whether there were “other Terenzia Varrone,” the answer is no in the straightforward way you seem to mean it. Varrone is the cognomen of Marcus Terentius Varro, not the name of a whole subfamily plainly available to us under a neat heading “the Terenzii Varrones” in the way one might loosely imagine from later hereditary surname habits. There may well have been relatives and connected bearers in his line, but what survives to fame is above all Varro himself. So one should say: gens Terentia, yes; a broad and real Roman family-name; but “the Terentia Varrone” as though it were a standard sub-clan title is not the usual way to put it. On Varro himself, the Sabine and Reatine connection matters more than a glamorous parade of Terentii. He is Marco Terenzio Varrone Reatino for exactly that reason: the by-name Reatinus distinguishes him geographically and culturally, just as Varrone Atacino is distinguished differently. His importance lies in what he did with language, antiquities, agriculture, and Roman memory, not in our having a luxurious family tree for the Varrones as such. Now to your more delicate lexical point about Varrone in Italian. Yes, your suspicion is a good one, but it needs trimming. In cultivated Italian, Varrone can indeed function allusively for a very learned man, an encyclopaedic head, a person overloaded with antiquarian or lexical knowledge. But it is not the ordinary everyday equivalent of know-it-all. The plain colloquial words for that are things like sapientone, saccente, saputello, or the more comic sputasentenze. If one calls a man un Varrone, one is making a literary, educated, slightly dry comparison, not simply calling him an insufferable smart-aleck. The force is closer to “a vast scholar,” “a walking encyclopedia,” “a prodigiously learned fellow,” perhaps with a mild sneer if the speaker is uncharitable. Did that exact usage cross into English? Not as a settled idiom. English classicists could certainly say “he is a Varro” or “positively Varronian” to mean overlearned, antiquarian, encyclopaedic, lexically formidable. But that would be a learned in-group use, not a standard public idiom. So if one imagines that at Clifton someone might have said “He is a Varro,” that is perfectly imaginable as schoolmasterly or sixth-form classical wit, but not something one would expect dictionaries of ordinary English to register. It would be cultivated implicature, not settled usage. And that, of course, sharpens the Grice point rather nicely. To be “a Varro” in that atmosphere would suggest not merely intelligence, but the wrong kind of intellectual triumph: accumulation, erudition, lexical sovereignty, perhaps the sort of mind that knows everything except why one should care. Grice would certainly have preferred philosophy in the stronger sense, not because he despised classics, but because he wanted reasons rather than merely repositories. Varro gives one the public memory of a language and a civilisation; Grice wanted the rational traffic by which a speaker means something to a hearer. So if Speranza suspects that “Varrone” hovers as a cautionary type-name, he is not wrong. It just hovers in the high register, not in the ordinary slang register. So the compressed answer is this. Varro’s gens is Terentia. Other famous members include Publius Terentius Afer and, in feminine form, Terentia, Cicero’s wife. “Varrone” is his cognomen, not the name of a clearly independent little gens one would ordinarily list. And in Italian, Varrone can indeed suggest the massively learned man, but not quite the ordinary “know-it-all”; in English, “a Varro” would be intelligible to classicists, but it never really settled as a common idiom. If you like, I can now do one of two things in chat only. I can give you a compact prosopographical note on the gens Terentia, separating what is secure from what is merely famous by association. Or I can give you a dry paragraph in your preferred register on why Grice would admire Varro and yet avoid becoming Varronian. Terenzio Varrone, Marco (DCLXVIII A. V. C.). De antiquitate litterarum (ad L. Accium). Roma.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Terzi – Ossia: Grice e Terzi: implicatura crittologica – Gaskell’s pupil -- la scuola di Brescia, Note su Prodomo dell’arte maestra. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Francesco Lana conte de’Terzi (Brescia, Lombardia): implicatura crittologica – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning explains how hearers rationally recover speaker-meaning that goes beyond sentence-meaning by assuming cooperative norms and inferring implicatures when a contribution would otherwise look oddly chosen; the Terzi pairing you give lets that Gricean “more-than-said” be compared to an early-modern, Jesuitly technical imagination in which meaning is routinely treated as something to be encoded, transmitted, and decoded. Lana de Terzi’s Prodromo (Brescia, 1670) explicitly includes “new inventions for writing in cipher” and devices for communicating without letters or messengers, so Terzi’s world foregrounds cryptology as engineered inference: you are meant to get from an overt sign-vehicle to a hidden content via a rule or key, whereas Grice’s implicature is (in principle) keyless, generated by public practical reasoning about relevance, sufficiency, and intention. That contrast sharpens the “Peccavi” motif: the Punch pun (Peccavi = “I have sinned” / “I have Sindh”), often attributed to Napier but generally credited to Catherine Winkworth, works as a conversational implicature because the audience recognizes an intention to be witty and informative with minimal wording, supplying the intended enrichment without any agreed cipher—much closer to Grice than to Terzi’s cryptographic programs. So, where Terzi exemplifies the codified, artifact-driven side of meaning (a science of concealment and transmission), Grice theorizes the everyday, rationally accountable side (a cooperative practice where the hidden is inferable precisely because it is not mechanically encoded), and the “Peccavi” joke sits neatly between them as a borderline case: cryptologic in its bilingual hinge, but Gricean in its dependence on shared assumptions and recognitional intentions rather than on a secret key. Gaskell’s pupil -- Peccavi. It was a pupil of Gaskell who submitted to PUNCH the Peccavi conversational implicature pun.  Francesco Lana de Terzi. Francesco Lana de Terzi. LANA TERZI, Francesco  Nasce da Ghirardo e da Bianca Martinengo, entrambi di famiglia patrizia. È battezzato nella chiesa di S. Giovanni Evangelista con i nomi di Deodato Francesco Giuseppe. Compiuti gli studi primari e secondari, a quanto sembra sotto la guida di precettori privati, decide d’entrare nella Compagnia di Gesù e venne accolto nel noviziato romano di S. Andrea al Quirinale dove, oltre al biennio di probazione, frequenta il primo anno del biennio di studi letterari. Passa nel Collegio romano, dove completa gli studi letterari e compì il triennio di studi filosofici. Mentre frequenta l'annualità filosofica di fisica, divenne assistente nel celebre museo del padre Kircher, che lo introduce al metodo sperimentale -- come T stesso scrive nel suo Magisterium naturae et artis, II, Brixiae. È inoltre allievo in matematica di Casati. È a Terni, nel locale collegio gesuitico, come maestro del corso letterario. A quanto sembra, il suo insegnamento è particolarmente apprezzato, tanto da farlo insignire della cittadinanza onoraria dalle autorità civili. Di certo si dedica anche alla direzione delle rappresentazioni teatrali recitate dagl’alunni, scrivendo e pubblicando il dramma La rappresentazione di s. Valentino, martire e protettore di Terni con la coronazione di Tacito e Floriano, ternani, imperatori romani -- Terni. Torna a Roma, nel Collegio romano, chiamatovi dai superiori per intraprendere il conclusivo corso di teologia. Ma un qualche fatto nuovo fa cambiare i progetti su di lui: gli fu infatti ordinato di accompagnare nel viaggio verso Venezia il confratello Daniello Bartoli, e, una volta giunto a destinazione, di dirigersi a Parma e di stabilirsi nel collegio di S. Rocco. Durante il viaggio soggiornò nel collegio di Macerata. lingua universale, grammatica ragionata. Grice: Caro Terzi, oggi ho preparato per te una “implicatura crittologica”—non ti preoccupare, non serve nessuna chiave segreta: solo un po’ di spirito e una buona dose di curiosità! D’altronde, “crittologia” mi fa pensare subito a misteri da decifrare… ma tu, che hai la mente allenata, saprai trovare il codice nascosto!  Terzi: Ah, Grice, se la crittologia fosse solo un gioco di parole, ci metterei subito il mio “Peccavi”! Ma per l’etimologia, partiamo dal greco: “kryptós” significa nascosto, e “logos” parola o discorso. In pratica, siamo filosofi travestiti da ladri di segreti—e pure con licenza poetica!  Grice: Perfetto, Terzi! Allora siamo entrambi detective lessicali: ogni “crittologia” diventa una caccia al tesoro tra lettere e sillabe. Mi chiedo se, per un vero gioco, dovremmo inventare la “grammatica ragionata” del codice Morse—ma con implicature, naturalmente!  Terzi: Grice, se continui così, finiremo per scrivere un manuale di conversazione cifrata: “Parlare con implicature, decifrare sorrisi!” E se qualcuno ci chiede il significato di “crittologia”, rispondiamo: è l’arte di non farsi capire… ma sempre divertendosi! Terzi, Francesco Lana conte de’ (1670). Prodomo dell’arte maestra. Brescia: Rizzardi

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tessitore – Ossia: Grice e Tessitore: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del Vico di Tessitore. Note su Crisi e trasformazioni dello Stato. Ricerche sul pensiero giuspubblicistico italiano. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Fulvio Tessitore (Napoli, Campania): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale del Vico di Tessitore – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning treats understanding as a rational reconstruction: hearers presume cooperative, purposive talk and derive implicatures by attributing to the speaker intentions that make the utterance optimally reasonable under shared norms (so that what is meant can systematically outrun what is said without collapsing into guesswork). Tessitore, by contrast, approaches “reason” through the historicist and Vichian-Cuocian axis: meaning is not primarily a timeless mechanism of inference but an achievement of historically situated practices of understanding, where philology and historiography function as an ethical discipline of interpretation (Tessitore explicitly characterizes Vico’s philology as a “science” of understanding, not merely an editorial technique, and he resists treating thinkers like Vico as simple “precursors” of later categories such as historicism). Read against this, the passage’s playful “scuola napoletana” motif points to a convergence and a divergence: both Grice and Tessitore oppose brute literalism by insisting that intelligibility depends on rational norms, but Grice models those norms at the micro-level of conversational exchange (maxims, relevance, calculable implicature), whereas Tessitore’s Vichian orientation emphasizes the macro-level conditions under which a community’s reasons become legible at all—institutions, traditions, and the historically formed languages in which agents can make claims, contest them, and inherit them. In short, Grice supplies a general, intention-based logic of how interlocutors rationally extract “more-than-said” from utterances, while Tessitore’s historicism reframes rationality as something whose authority and content are themselves events in history, so that “implicature” becomes not only a conversational phenomenon but also a reminder that what counts as a reason, a school, or even “Plato is Italian” is negotiated within a living, Naples-centered culture of interpretation rather than guaranteed by an abstract, context-free calculus. Grice italo Cuoco. Grice: “Cuoco argues that Plato is really an Italian!” -- Grice: “If there’s Oxonian dialectic and Athenian dialectic [la scuola d’Atene], there is, to follow Tessitore, the ‘scuola napoletana.’”  Storico della filosofia italiano. Docente di storia della filosofia, senatore e deputato, da decenni dedica i suoi studi allo storicismo e al pensiero politico. Ha dedicato scritti a Cuoco -- Lo storicismo di Cuoco. Laureato in giurisprudenza, insegna filosofia del diritto, storia delle dottrine politiche ed è professore di storia della filosofia nell'università Federico II di Napoli, di cui è stato rettore. Socio corrispondente dei Lincei, nazionale; senatore della Repubblica; deputato dell’Ulivo. Tra le opere dedicate alla storia dello storicismo e del pensiero politico, si ricordano: I fondamenti della filosofia politica di Humboldt; Meinecke storico delle idee; Storicismo e pensiero politico; Profilo dello storicismo politico; Filosofia e storiografia; Storiografia e storia della cultura; Introduzione allo storicismo, Schizzi e schegge di storiografia arabo-islamica italiana; Introduzione a Meinecke; Lo storicismo come filosofia dell'evento; Nuovi contributi alla storia e alla teoria dello storicismo; Storicismo e storia della cultura; Interpretazione dello storicismo; Altri contributi alla storia e alla teoria dello storicismo; Stato italiano e nazione italiana. L'anomalia italiana; Trittico anti-hegeliano da Diltehy a Weber. Contributo alla teoria dello storicismo; Da Cuoco a Weber. Contributi alla storia dello storicismo. Gli è stato dedicato il volume Filosofia, storia, letteratura: scritti in onore di T. -- a cura di CACCIATORE  et al. Si laurea in giurisprudenza -- la sua tesi ricevette dignità di stampa -- a Napoli, allievo di PIOVANI -- è libero docente per meriti eccezionali in filosofia del diritto, e professore. Insegna storia delle dottrine politiche; quindi, in poi, storia della filosofia. Cuoco.  Grice: Fulvio Tessitore, sono corso qui da Vadum Boum—la mia università nell’Hampshire, sai—perché un collega durante il tè ha dichiarato: “Vico è il più grande filosofo, vivente o meno!” Sei d’accordo, o dobbiamo mandarlo subito a Napoli per un ripasso? Tessitore: Grice, assolutamente sì! Anzi, ho passato anni a cercare di far riconoscere la grandezza di Vico perfino ai più testardi settentrionali di Bononia. Se le mie lezioni fossero state ancora più convincenti, i bolognesi scriverebbero persino le ricette della pasta in dialetto napoletano, solo per rendergli omaggio! Grice: Ah! Se Vico potesse assistere a ciò, dichiarerebbe la “scuola napoletana” ufficialmente esportata—e forse avvertirebbe anche dei pericoli di mescolare la filosofia con il ragù. Sai, all’Hampshire abbiamo discusso se lo storicismo di Vico potesse spiegare perché il tempo britannico è sempre un “evento”—e la risposta è stata: “ovviamente sì!” Tessitore: Geniale, Grice! Tra la tua dialettica hampshiriana e il nostro storicismo napoletano, potremmo risolvere i misteri dell’universo—o almeno convincere il nord che la saggezza di Vico è il vero ingrediente segreto della filosofia italiana. La prossima volta proverò a insegnare loro che Platone era davvero italiano, proprio come sosteneva Cuoco! Tessitore, Fulvio (1962). Lo storicisimo giuidico-plitico di Vincenzo Cuoco. Torino: Edizioni di Filosofia. Studi e Richerche di storia della filosofia. Sotto Piovani. Giurisprudenza, Napoli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Testa – Ossia: Grice e Testa: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della nemica fortuna. Note su Della filosofia dell’affetto. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Padre Alfonso Testa (Borgonovo, Tidone, Piacenza, Emilia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della nemica fortuna – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning explains “more-than-said” content as a rational achievement: hearers presume cooperative, purposive talk, and when an utterance appears under-informative, oddly phrased, or otherwise non-optimal, they infer an implicature that restores the speaker’s contribution to intelligible rational order under shared norms. In the Testa passage, “conversational reason” and “conversational implicature” are recast as an Italian, Tidone-inflected humanism in which misfortune and “luck” become a standing topic for practical inference: the exchange treats “nemica fortuna” not as a mere theme but as a generator of meaning beyond literal wording, with humor and local proverb functioning like maxims in action—economy, relevance, and an expectation that the other will supply the intended enrichment. Where Grice’s framework is explicitly metatheoretical (a general account of how intentions, recognition, and cooperative constraints yield implicature), Testa’s intellectual profile—moving from Condillacian sensism through skeptical subjectivism to criticist concerns—invites a comparison in which “reason” is not only a conversational norm but also a stance toward contingency: the talk about fortune dramatizes how speakers manage the gap between what can be said and what must be inferred when the world is variable, ironic, or resistant to tidy description. Put sharply: Grice formalizes the rational mechanics by which interlocutors derive implied meaning from utterances, while the Testa vignette stylizes that same rationality as a cultivated conversational resilience, where the implicature is not just an interpretive product but a way of coping—turning the instability of “luck” into shared understanding through wit, proverb, and the mutual expectation that rational hearers can complete what is left unsaid. -- la scuola di Tidone – filosofia piacentina – filosofia emiliana -- filosofia italiana – Grice italo  (Tidone). Abstract. Keywords: implicatura, nemica fortuna. Filosofo. studia al collegio Alberoni, da cui uscì prete Rifiutata la cattedra universitaria a Pisa offertagli da ROVERE, è deputato al parlamento piemontese e presidente onorario della facoltà filosofico-letteraria di Parma. La sua evoluzione intellettuale mosse dal sensismo anti-razionalistico di Condillac e, attraverso il recupero della tradizione scettico-soggettivistica, approda al criticismo Di essa sono chiara testimonianza le sue opere più importanti: Della filosofia dell'affetto; Filosofia della mente; Il nuovo saggio sull'origine delle idee di SERBATI esaminato; Della critica della Ragion pura del criticismo. Rifiuta la cattedra filosofica a Pisa e prefere lavorare a Parma, divenendone presidente dell'area filosofica. Deputato al parlamento sabaudo. T. Storia di un povero pretazzuolo di Fausto Chiesa, pubblicato dalla libreria Romagnosi di Piacenza. Treccani Istituto dell'Enciclopedia Italiana. „,tr,*mT—r m-m r- T“ » 11 V 'or- , , I  k, i \'\ < f - t4»VOY. :. .Piaiiì zgdb y.Gri&ffli COLLEZI QNE OPUSCOLI y v'^P' • \ l/l ED INEDITI PROFESSORE DI FILOSOFIA NEL LICEO DI PIACER** Prezzo - Lire Italiane »  ! V "s. t V- ì  %os. ye. «3 COLLEZIONE DEGÙ OPUSCOLI ♦ DITI SD INEDITI di T.  PROFESSORE DI FILOSOFIA NEL LICEO DI PIACENZA . v» PIACENZA DAI TIPI NAZIONALI DI A. DEL MAJNO  1/ EDITORE agli italiani risorti Aline riami m retili animus. Tacito Apric. Premi. Il presente manifesto è stato scritto colla penna colorata in rosso, verde e bianco, desideratissimo segno dell’unione c dell’indipendenza italiana.  G: “Piacentino, and no order. That is already a declaration.” S: “A modest one?” G: “Not modest. Deliberate. He does not say, ‘Attend, I speak as a priest.’ He says, in effect, ‘Attend, I speak as a philosopher from Piacenza.’” S: “Which is almost more ambitious.” G: “Provincial ambition is often the most durable sort. Rome wants authority. Piacenza wants to be believed.” S: “And this introduction is not pious at all. Sensibility, passions, organization, causality, self-love, desire, Locke, Condillac, Destutt de Tracy. One expects incense; one gets psychology.” G: “Quite. One expects cassock; one gets Condillac.” S: “But can a priest write like this without scandal?” G: “A priest can write about desire more safely than most, because he has had to hear about it from everyone else.” S: “You are improving him.” G: “No, merely locating him. Look at the sequence. Sensibility first. Then affection. Then bodily organization. Then self-love. Then desire. Then the philosophers of desire. It is not random. He is building the soul from below.” S: “From below the will, you mean.” G: “Exactly. That is what makes him interesting. He is not beginning with the majestic faculty of rational willing. He is beginning with the mess. With the way a creature is affected before it chooses.” S: “So affection before volition.” G: “Yes, though he will not be able to keep them apart. Nobody can. Affection breeds desire; desire presses toward willing; willing borrows half its language from desire and then pretends to be superior.” S: “That sounds suspiciously like your own position.” G: “My own position is more cunning. I should like to reduce judgement to willing for convenience, not because the world is arranged for my comfort, but because willing is more lively.” S: “And because one soon believes what one desires?” G: “A very dangerous proverb, and therefore often true.” S: “Then Testa would please you. He seems to think the life of mind begins where one is first moved.” G: “Yes, though I should want to know whether he is moved by the object, by the body, or by an image of the object. There lies half the trouble.” S: “You are already tutoring him.” G: “One must do something for the dead.” S: “He quotes Locke on desire, then Condillac, then Destutt de Tracy. That is almost a little anti-Kantian procession.” G: “Not anti-Kantian exactly. Pre-Kantian in tone, post-Kantian in danger. He is asking what desire is as if the critical philosophy had not yet made willing respectable.” S: “And all this in 1829.” G: “That is the delicious part. In 1829 one may still write as if sensibility were a frontier and not a settled district.” S: “But from a priest.” G: “You keep saying ‘but’ as if priest and psychology were incompatible. I should have thought the confessional a better laboratory than Leipzig.” S: “You are wicked.” G: “No, empirical.” S: “What do you make of the section on amor proprio?” G: “That he knows one cannot begin anywhere else. Every moral philosophy that starts by praising benevolence has quietly relied on self-love to get itself to the page.” S: “That is almost Butler.” G: “Almost. Butler civilises self-love. Testa seems more willing to anatomise it.” S: “And your own conversational self-love?” G: “A useful principle. If one did not wish one’s own contribution to survive, conversation would collapse into philanthropy.” S: “So the Cooperative Principle has an egoistic basement.” G: “Naturally. The benevolent chap is still a chap.” S: “Then desire is not merely some low faculty. It is the beginning of the whole machinery.” G: “Yes, but only if one is careful. Desire is not yet intention.” S: “You said that as if you were correcting a paper.” G: “I often am, even when none is set. Desire may be the father of thought, but intention is thought wearing boots.” S: “And affection?” G: “Affection is the weather in which both occur.” S: “That is rather good.” G: “It is also rather vague, which is why I do not publish it.” S: “Testa might. He seems happy with large headings.” G: “Della filosofia dell’affetto is a large heading because he is trying to found a region. One does not call a pamphlet that. One calls a campaign that.” S: “He really is writing a treatise on one faculty.” G: “Not one faculty. One zone of the soul. That is subtler. Faculty-language is too tidy. Affetto, desiderio, amor proprio, passione, sensibilità: these are not compartments. They are disturbances with names.” S: “And yet he classifies.” G: “Because philosophers classify wherever life becomes inconvenient.” S: “Do you think he believes affection explains willing?” G: “He wants it to explain enough of willing that willing ceases to look miraculous.” S: “That would annoy the Kantians.” G: “Then he has done at least one useful thing.” S: “What would you say, if he were here?” G: “I should ask whether his desire is object-directed or image-directed. Whether one desires the thing, or the pleasurable representation of the thing. And whether the painful condition from which desire moves is merely lack, or already an interpretation of lack.” S: “You are making him earn his 1829.” G: “A vintage year ought to justify itself.” S: “And what if he replied that desire begins in a deficiency of sentire, intensified by images, and directed toward a restoration of equilibrium?” G: “Then I should say he is very nearly a psychologist, and dangerously close to sounding modern.” S: “He would perhaps not mind.” G: “No, but his readers might.” S: “You sound pleased by him.” G: “I am pleased when a man in a collar writes as if the soul had nerves.” S: “And if he had styled himself Padre Alfonso Testa?” G: “The book would have lost something. ‘Piacentino’ is much better. It says: I am local enough to be trusted, and philosophical enough to be left alone.” S: “Do you think his Piacentini knew he taught where he had been formed?” G: “Very likely. Which is why he needn’t say it. Public understatement relies on local knowledge. Rather like our conversation.” S: “That is too self-flattering.” G: “Perhaps. But one should never underestimate the philosophical value of being already known.” S: “Then the book begins not with dogma but with shared familiarity.” G: “Exactly. He says, in effect, ‘You know who I am; let us now discuss desire.’” S: “There are worse openings.” G: “There are many worse openings. ‘Let us begin from pure reason,’ for instance.” S: “And where do you put him, then?” G: “Between sermon and science, but nearer science than sermon.” S: “And nearer Locke than Kant?” G: “In method, yes. In anxiety, perhaps not. A man who writes on desire in 1829 has already heard that rational will is waiting in the next room.” S: “And he is trying to keep the door shut.” G: “Or at least ajar, so that sensibility gets the first word.” S: “Would you give him to undergraduates?” G: “Only the better sort. The others would either sentimentalise him or despise him.” S: “And you?” G: “I should use him to remind them that before philosophers made willing majestic, they had to discover that wanting was already complicated.” S: “That sounds like a moral.” G: “It is only a warning.” S: “Against what?” G: “Against mistaking a decision for the beginning of the mind.” S: “And the punchline?” G: “If Testa is right, the will is not queen of the soul at all.” S: “What is it, then?” G: “Merely desire in academic dress.”Grice: Caro Testa, ti confesso che la “nemica fortuna” mi perseguita da anni! Sai, una volta ho passato un intero seminario a sviscerare quell’assurda frase inglese: “he is a lucky fellow”—e alla fine, ho concluso che era una vera e propria sciocchezza… Tu che ne pensi, filosofo piacentino, la fortuna è davvero così nemica o semplicemente malintesa?  Testa: Ah, Grice, la fortuna dalle nostre parti si dice che cambi umore più spesso di un fiume in piena! Come diceva mio zio a Borgonovo, “la fortuna prima ti sorride e poi ti fa l’occhiolino – ma sempre da lontano!” Quanto alla tua “lucky fellow”, forse era solo un inglese che doveva venire a Piacenza per capire cosa vuol dire davvero… essere fortunati o sfortunati! Grice: Magnifico! Dunque la fortuna da voi si comporta come una vecchia signora: ti invita a cena, poi ti lascia fuori dalla porta sotto la pioggia. E non credere che “he is a lucky fellow” abbia portato chiarezza in Inghilterra—anzi, i miei studenti dopo quel seminario erano più confusi che mai! D’altronde, meglio riderci su: la logica non sempre vince contro la sorte, vero?  Testa: Assolutamente! Qui a Tidone, quando la fortuna gira male, usiamo dire: “Meglio un sorriso che una cattedra a Pisa!”—e infatti io l’ho rifiutata! Se la vita è un gioco, allora la conversazione è il nostro asso nella manica… e tu, Grice, sei il re di cuori della pragmatica! Testa, Alfonso (1829). Introduzione alla filosofia dell’affetto. Piacenza: Majno.

 

Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Th

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Thaulero – Ossia: Grice e Thaulero: la ragione conversazionale e il problema d’una antropologia filosofica; o, l’implicatura conversazionale dell’autorità ed il risentimento. Note sul contrbuto al Bollettino di sociologia dell’Istituto Sturzo. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Vincenzo Filippone Thaulero (Roma, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale e il problema d’una antropologia filosofica; o, l’implicatura conversazionale dell’autorità ed il risentimento – In Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning, what is communicated in dialogue depends not only on what is explicitly said but on rational expectations about authority, sincerity, and mutual recognition of intentions, which allow hearers to infer implicatures beyond the literal utterance. Vincenzo Filippone Thaulero approaches a convergent problem from within philosophical anthropology and social theory, focusing on how authority and resentment shape the conditions under which meaning is received, resisted, or distorted in conversation. Whereas Grice treats implicature as a largely cooperative phenomenon generated by rational agents who assume good faith, Thaulero is especially attentive to situations in which authority provokes suspicion or ressentiment, so that what is said by a speaker in a position of cultural or institutional power carries unintended implicatures tied to domination, legitimacy, or moral pressure. The comparison highlights Grice’s normative model of conversational reason, which explains how understanding ought to proceed under idealized cooperative conditions, alongside Thaulero’s more sociologically grounded perspective, which shows how conversational meaning is refracted through lived experience, value conflicts, and emotional responses, revealing that implicature can arise not only from rational calculation but also from historically and socially embedded tensions between speaker and audience. Grice italo -- autorita e risentimento. Grice: “We loved Strawson’s “Freedom and resentment,” since it spoke to a generation – not exactly mine!” -- Filosofo romano. Filosofo lazio. Filosofo italiano. Abruzzese, figlio del barone Carlo, nobile di Chieti e patrizio teramano. Consigue la maturità classica al liceo Massimo di Roma. Si iscrive alla Sapienza di Roma, dove si laurea a pieni voti con una tesi in filosofia del diritto, “Una metodologia del diritto”, sotto VECCHIO come relatore, e ottenne il diploma di perfezionamento con lode in filosofia del diritto nella scuola di perfezionamento di filosofia del diritto a Roma, con la tesi “La ‘fictio juris’ in Bartolo da Sassoferrato”, con SFORZA come relatore. Assistente volontario di PERTICONE, ordinario di storia contemporanea a scienze politiche, usufruì di una borsa della Humboldt-Stiftung che gli consente studiare in Germania per approfondire sulla problematica del valore. STURZO gli affida insieme ad Addio la direzione del “Bollettino di Sociologia”, poi divenuto “Sociologia”, divenendo uno dei maggiori collaboratori dell'istituto creato dal fondatore del partito popolare italiano. Inviato al congresso di sociologia di Amsterdam e fra i fondatori della Società italiana di scienze sociali.  Consigue la libera docenza in filosofia morale e ricopre vari incarichi presso Salerno. Vince il concorso a cattedra per filosofia morale del magistero di Salerno.  Muore in un incidente automobilistico.  Gli è stata intitolata la scuola di Cologna Spiaggia a Roseto degli Abruzzi. Altri saggi: “Società e cultura” (Giuffré, Milano); “Il mare ha voce, ha voce il vento” (Storia e Letteratura, Roma); “Il darsi dell'origine nell'esperienza sociale e religiosa” (Studium, Roma); “Intorno al concetto di sociologia generale”. autorita e risentimento.  Grice: Che piacere incontrarti, Vincenzo Filippone Thaulero! Devo ammettere che è la prima volta che conosco un italiano con un cognome che inizia con quella strana e ostica “th”. Sono davvero curioso: come la pronunciate voi in Abruzzo? Dite “Taule-ro” o c’è qualche sfumatura segreta che mi sfugge? Thaulero: Ah, caro Grice, hai colto una delle nostre piccole complicazioni linguistiche! In famiglia abbiamo sempre scherzato sul “th”, che da noi, tra Teramo e Chieti, diventa semplicemente una “t” dolce. “Taule-ro”, proprio come dici tu, e i nostri nonni ridevano di chi provava a farla suonare all’inglese! Grice: Splendido! In Inghilterra, sai, il “th” divide intere generazioni. Ma trovare un filosofo italiano che porta la “th” come vessillo, tra autorità e risentimento, mi fa pensare che la filosofia abbia davvero voce in ogni vento – proprio come scrivi tu! Thaulero: Grazie, Grice! A volte la “th” è solo un simbolo, altre volte un piccolo ostacolo. Ma, come dicevano gli abruzzesi, “il mare ha voce, ha voce il vento”: ciò che conta è farsi comprendere – e magari anche sorridere sulle differenze. D’altronde, la conversazione è la vera anima della filosofia! Thaulero, Vincenzo Filippone (1956). Contrbuto. Bollettino di sociologia, Istituto Sturzo.

 

Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Ti

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tiberiano – Ossia: Grice e Tiberiano: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Note su Amnis ibat. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Tiberiano: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Tiberiano (336 A. D.). Amnis ibat.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tiberio – Ossia: Grice e Tiberio: la ragione conversazionale della filosofia e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’anti-filosofia – Roma – filosofia italiana – Grice italo (Roma). not the prince. Not the prince. This one writes on philosophical subjects. Grice: “It would have been a good thing if the OTHER one did!  Tiberio (Roma, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale della filosofia e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’anti-filosofia –not the prince. Not the prince. This one writes on philosophical subjects. Grice: “It would have been a good thing if the OTHER one did!” GRICEVS: Salve, Tiberi! Dic mihi: quid tibi videtur esse ratio inter philosophiam et anti-philosophiam? TIBERIVS: Ave, Grice! Ego credo anti-philosophiam esse provocationem philosophiae—non negationem, sed potius invitationem ad dubitandum. GRICEVS: Pulchre dictum! Potesne exemplum dare ubi anti-philosophia vere auxilio fuit progressionis philosophiae? TIBERIVS: Certe! Cogita de Socrate, qui saepe quaestiones ponebat quae lineas philosophiae perturbabant; eius “ignorantia docta” initium dedit novis modis cogitandi. Sic anti-philosophia fit instrumentum ipsius sapientiae. Tiberio (XXX). Dicta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tilgher – Ossia: Grice e Tilgher: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale degl’orecchie dell’aquila – italo-tedesco -- il relativismo filosofico Note sugli Studi sul teatro moderno. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Adriano Tilgher (Resina, Ercolano, Napoli, Campania): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale degl’orecchie dell’aquila – In Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning, what speakers convey beyond literal sentence meaning is explained through conversational implicature, which presupposes rational cooperation and an audience capable of reconstructing the reasons that make an utterance appropriate and intelligible in context. Adriano Tilgher approaches conversational reason from a more historical, cultural, and pluralistic angle: his philosophical relativism and his reflections on style, theatre, and modern culture emphasize that meaning is never fixed once and for all but always filtered through perspectives, forms of life, and interpretive stances. Whereas Grice seeks to stabilize conversational understanding by appealing to general principles of rational cooperation that underwrite inference across contexts, Tilgher foregrounds the instability and multiplicity of meanings, suggesting that what is “heard” in discourse—his metaphorical “eagle’s ears”—depends on the listener’s attunement to competing forms, values, and historical situations. The comparison thus reveals Grice as offering a normative, analytic account of how reason governs implicature in ordinary conversation, while Tilgher represents a critical and relativistic counterpart, for whom conversational reason is inseparable from cultural pluralism, stylistic choice, and the contingent conditions that shape how utterances acquire significance rather than from universal maxims alone. -- italo-tedesco -- il relativismo filosofico –  la scuola di Resina -- filosofia campagnese -- filosofia italiana – Grice italo  (Resìna). Abstract. Keywords: le orecchie dell’aquila, lo spccio del bestione trionfante.. Nacque a Resìna, l’odierna Ercolano, in provincia di Napoli, da Achille, un vetraio di origine tedesca, e da Rosa Eufrasia Oteau -- cognome ch’è spesso italianizzato in Ottò.  Dopo le scuole elementari, si trasferì a Napoli. Mentre frequenta il liceo classico Vico conosce Livia De Paolis, che sposa.  In quegli anni T. matura una passione per la filosofia e per la letteratura, e si avvicina a Croce, che frequenta assiduamente e considera un vero e proprio maestro, come mostrano i suoi primi lavori. In realtà, non si tratta di un rapporto destinato a durare a lungo.  Dopo la laurea in giurisprudenza a Napoli, con Salvioli, docente di storia del diritto italiano, T. vinse un concorso per l’incarico di aiutobibliotecario, e prese servizio presso la Biblioteca nazionale di Torino -- lettere a Croce, in Carteggio Croce-Tilgher.  Passati i primi mesi, la lontananza dalla sua città e dai suoi affetti si trasforma in angoscia, e T. chiede aiuto a Croce per ottenere il trasferimento a una sede più vicina. Dopo mesi di scambi epistolari incentrati sullo stesso tema – e nei quali T. era divenuto decisamente pressante – il filosofo interruppe le comunicazioni. È comunque riuscito a ottenere il trasferimento di T.  alla Biblioteca Alessandrina di Roma, che avvenne.  Dal Carteggio risulta, inoltre, che T. non era puntuale nel rispettare gli impegni editoriali, determinando il disappunto e l’insofferenza del suo interlocutore, che fa della disciplina una ragione di vita. Lo stesso T., del resto, si risentì di fronte alle critiche di Croce al suo Arte, conoscenza e realtà. Croce era convinto – come scrive a Gentile – che il suo amico avrebbe dovuto dedicarsi alla storia della filosofia per acquisire quel metodo e quella maturità scientifica. le orecchie dell'aquila, lo spaccio del bestione trionfante.  Grice: Caro Tilgher, permettimi una curiosità: ma Gentile, quando sentiva quel "gh" nel tuo cognome, non pensava forse che suonasse un po’ troppo “unno” per le sue orecchie così raffinate d’italico filosofo? Magari temeva che ti fossi presentato a Roma con le orecchie dell’aquila e la spada di Attila! Tilgher: Ah, Grice! In effetti Gentile, col suo spirito tutto latino, mi guardava come se avessi nidificato aquile in biblioteca invece di libri! Ma ti confesso che, se proprio devo scegliere, preferisco le “orecchie dell’aquila” alle orecchie d’asino di certi critici! Grice: Che immagine! Vedi, in Inghilterra diciamo che chi ha le orecchie troppo grandi sente anche quello che non dovrebbe... Ma tu, con quelle d’aquila, riuscivi a captare le nuvole del relativismo e pure i sospiri di Croce quando tardavi con un manoscritto! Tilgher: Proprio così! Anche se, a volte, sentivo persino la voce del “bestion trionfante” che mi suggeriva di prendere la vita con un pizzico di ironia. E poi, caro Grice, meglio un cognome da aquila che una mente da gallina! Tilgher, Adriano (1921). Studi sul teatro. Roma: Edizioni della Voce

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Timpanaro – Ossia: Grice e Timpanaro: la ragione conversazionale -- filosofia italiana. Note sugli Studi di filologia e storia. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice, Sebastiano Timpanaro (Parma) junior: la ragione conversazionale -- In Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning, what a speaker communicates beyond the literal content of an utterance is explained through implicature, derived from the assumption that interlocutors are rational agents cooperating according to shared norms that make an utterance intelligible as a reasonable move in conversation. Sebastiano Timpanaro approaches an analogous problem from the side of philology and historical criticism: his work on textual transmission, on Lehmann’s method, and on Leopardi is guided by the idea that meaning emerges from disciplined attention to material detail, error, and correction, rather than from idealized intentional coherence alone. Where Grice emphasizes rational inference by hearers reconstructing speaker intentions under conversational principles, Timpanaro stresses the limits of intentional control, showing how meaning is shaped by objective constraints, mechanical mistakes, and historical processes that escape conscious design. The comparison thus highlights Grice as developing a normative theory of conversational rationality focused on inference and cooperation in living discourse, while Timpanaro represents a materialist and historically grounded counterpart, in which rational understanding depends less on ideal conversational maxims than on a critical method that accounts for the concrete conditions under which texts and meanings are produced, transmitted, and sometimes distorted. Grice: I like him. Leopardi. Filosofo -- è stato un filologo classico, saggista e critico letterario italiano. M. Firenze. Lapide che commemora le vicine case di Pisa dove vissero T. senior, Maria Timpanaro Cardini e T.  junior -- Pisa, via San Paolo. Figlio di T. senior e di Maria Timpanaro Cardini, studia a Firenze col celebre filologo classico PASQUALI (vedasi, membro tra l'altro dell'Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei e della British Academy.  Scelse di rifiutare la carriera di insegnamento universitario, senza tuttavia rinunciare a un'attività scientifica davvero imponente, indirizzata verso la filologia latina, la letteratura italiana e alcuni grandi temi filosofici: il marxismo, il materialismo e la psicoanalisi freudiana.  S'impegna anche in politica, militando inizialmente nella sinistra interna del Partito Socialista Italiano; aderì al Psiup e al Pdup. In seguito, rimanendo coerente con le sue idee leniniste, guarda con interesse al progetto di Rifondazione Comunista, senza però mai iscriversi al partito. È sepolto nel Cimitero Monumentale della Misericordia dell'Antella, Comune di Bagno a Ripoli, provincia di Firenze. Timpanaro e Lachmann Nella fondamentale monografia La genesi del metodo del Lachmann, T. ripercorre i lineamenti di storia della filologia, con particolare riferimento alle molteplici intuizioni e agli spunti che hanno preceduto l'opera di Lachmann e a cui lo studioso tedesco aveva poi dato una sistematica e organica formulazione; ancor oggi il cosiddetto metodo di Lachmann, pur rivisitato nel corso dei decenni, rimane basilare per approntare l'edizione critica di un testo, soprattutto di un autore latino o greco.  Timpanaro e L'infinito In un articolo intitolato Di alcune falsificazioni di scritti leopardiani, T. ha fornito la dimostrazione che i tre abbozzi de L'infinito di LEOPARDI , pubblicati in Tutte le opere, a cura di Francesco Flora, Milano, Mondadori Editore, sono in realtà dei falsi.  Opere La filologia di Leopardi, Firenze, Le Monnier.  G: “Timpanaro begins in 1945 with Ennius. That is a good age at which to begin: young enough for audacity, old enough for footnotes.” S: “And under bombs, more or less.” G: “Yes. Other men grabbed rifles; the Italians grabbed fragments.” S: “That is unfair.” G: “Only if one thinks Ennius less worth rescuing than Europe. Timpanaro seems to have thought the two enterprises adjacent.” S: “You are in a mood.” G: “Philology encourages it. One is always told one is doing something merely preparatory, and then one discovers that civilisation hangs from a damaged line in Nonius.” S: “So Timpanaro in 1945 writes Per una nuova edizione critica di Ennio. The very title sounds half modest, half insurgent.” G: “Exactly. ‘Per una nuova edizione’ means, in polite Italian, ‘the old one will no longer do.’” S: “And the old one was Vahlen.” G: “Vahlen as institution, yes. The great post-Lachmannian comfort blanket. Admirable, indispensable, and by then intolerably old.” S: “So Pasquali sees the need, Timpanaro feels the need, Mariotti writes letters about the need, and eventually Skutsch does the deed.” G: “That is the international division of labour. Florence diagnoses, Oxford publishes.” S: “Skutsch was at Oxford?” G: “Eventually. German by origin, British by appointment, Oxford by immortality. Which is fitting, since Ennius belongs to that awkward zone where nationality is already a commentary.” S: “And Mariotti?” G: “Mariotti matters because he was not merely a bystander. He was the nearest thing Timpanaro had to a fellow campaigner in the Italian line. They wrote to one another about Ennius the way dons write about weather if the weather determined the fate of Rome.” S: “And neither of them, strictly, a philosopher.” G: “No. But strictness is often the enemy of insight.” S: “Then let us be unstrict. What does an analytic philosopher make of Timpanaro, Pasquali, Terzaghi, Mariotti, and this poor shredded Ennius?” G: “He sees a rational practice. That is already enough.” S: “You mean: evidence, inference, correction, and no metaphysical fog?” G: “Quite. Timpanaro would have liked the phrase ‘no metaphysical fog,’ though he would probably have added a polemic against psychoanalysis before tea.” S: “And Ennius?” G: “Ennius is the delicious case. Officially a poet. Actually a small republic of genres.” S: “Annales, tragedies, satires.” G: “And more. Epicharmus. Euhemerus. Protrepticus. A poet who refuses to remain only a poet.” S: “Then he really is philosophically tempting.” G: “Very. Because he stands before philosophy ‘arrives at Rome’ in the pompous textbook way, and yet he is already importing cosmology, theology, exhortation, and reflective anthropology.” S: “Before Carneades, before the embassy, before the harbour scene.” G: “Exactly. Before philosophy is seen to dock, Ennius is already smuggling it inland.” S: “That is rather good.” G: “It is also true.” S: “And Timpanaro knows this?” G: “Of course. That is why Ennius matters to him beyond mere text. A fragmentary author tests not only scholarship but judgement.” S: “Because every editorial decision is an argument?” G: “And every argument is half philology, half philosophy, if the text is sufficiently broken.” S: “So Grice, or rather G., reading Timpanaro, does not say, ‘Ah yes, another textual chap.’ He says, ‘Here is a man deciding what counts as evidence.’” G: “Yes. And further: here is a man deciding what counts as the same work, the same line, the same authorial intention under ruin.” S: “That sounds almost like philosophy of language.” G: “It is philosophy of language without the vanity of calling itself that.” S: “And Pasquali?” G: “Pasquali is the great elder pressure. He sees that Vahlen must be superseded, and he sees in the young Timpanaro the possible editor of Ennius.” S: “A kind of appointed avenger.” G: “Or appointed cleaner. Editors spend half their lives tidying after dead men and the other half deciding which dirt is authentic.” S: “Terzaghi comes in as relatore.” G: “Yes. Formal supervisor, one might say. Pasquali the true formative force, Terzaghi the official seal. That is a very academic arrangement.” S: “And Mariotti the correspondent.” G: “The living marginalia.” S: “You make them sound like a quartet.” G: “They are a quartet, with Ennius as the absent fifth player and Vahlen as the dead conductor.” S: “And Skutsch?” G: “Skutsch is the late soloist who finally records the symphony.” S: “Do you think Timpanaro minded?” G: “He minded in the only honourable way: by writing on Skutsch as one editor of Ennius speaking to another.” S: “Not nationalist resentment, then.” G: “No. More refined than that. A sense that one had long inhabited the same problem and had not been the man to close it.” S: “Which is almost sad.” G: “Philology is mostly sadness arranged as method.” S: “And still you say an analytic philosopher should admire it.” G: “Certainly. Because it disciplines the imagination. One cannot merely suppose. One must show why a conjecture deserves to live.” S: “That is not unlike your own habits.” G: “I should hope not. Though I have fewer manuscripts and more undergraduates.” S: “Let us talk Ennius proper, then. If he is not merely the annalist, what philosophical content do G. and S. find?” G: “Begin with Euhemerus.” S: “The rationalising of the gods.” G: “Yes. Gods as exalted mortals, founders, benefactors, rulers made divine by memory.” S: “That is already philosophy of religion, or at least myth under criticism.” G: “Indeed. One can hear Hume yawning in advance.” S: “And Epicharmus?” G: “That is subtler. Cosmological, quasi-physical, with reflections on soul and body and the operations of nature. Fragmentary enough to allow irresponsibility, but not so fragmentary that one may say anything one likes.” S: “So exactly the sort of text Timpanaro would relish.” G: “Because it forces one to distinguish reconstruction from invention.” S: “And Protrepticus?” G: “A philosophical genre by title alone. Exhortation. The very idea that poetry may urge one toward a mode of life or thought rather than merely recount events.” S: “So Ennius already contains the possibility that poetry thinks.” G: “And that is where the philosophers become interested.” S: “Even if condescendingly.” G: “Especially if condescendingly. Philosophers love border cases because they allow one to be generous without yielding the border.” S: “What would G. say, reading one of the famous lines?” G: “He would choose one that sounds like Rome announcing itself before it knows what Rome is.” S: “Such as?” G: “Moribus antiquis res stat Romana virisque.” S: “The Roman commonwealth stands by ancient customs and by men.” G: “Exactly. It is almost proverb, almost philosophy, almost constitutional theory.” S: “And entirely Ennius.” G: “And entirely why a philosopher cannot simply shrug and say ‘mere poet.’” S: “Though he might try.” G: “He might. But the line persists because it compresses a political anthropology into verse.” S: “So Grice, with Lit. Hum., hears not only metre but doctrine.” G: “He hears a maxim. A Roman maxim before philosophy properly institutionalises maxims.” S: “And Timpanaro hears a textual problem.” G: “And both are right.” S: “That is annoyingly harmonious.” G: “The best disagreements usually are.” S: “Would G. admire Timpanaro’s materialism?” G: “He would admire the refusal to sentimentalise intention. Timpanaro keeps reminding one that texts travel through blunders, slips, contamination, false piety, editorial violence.” S: “Which is a salutary pressure on any clean theory of meaning.” G: “Yes. It says: authorial intention is not sovereign over transmission.” S: “So even if Grice begins with intention, Timpanaro forces him to add vehicle, medium, and damage.” G: “Exactly. Timpanaro is what happens when the post brings bad news to philosophy of language.” S: “And Mariotti?” G: “Mariotti shows that this was not one lonely young genius with Ennius, but a whole postwar Italian philological conversation.” S: “Conducted, as you say, like dons rather than soldiers.” G: “Quite. While others defend Europe materially, they defend its fragments.” S: “That sounds almost indecent.” G: “Civilisation is indecently layered. Someone must keep the footnotes alive while others keep the lights on.” S: “And Oxford?” G: “Oxford would call it classical scholarship and imagine it as part of civilised education.” S: “Whereas for the Italians it is their own deep history.” G: “That is the crucial point. For Timpanaro and Mariotti, Ennius is not merely a Latin author in a syllabus. He is part of how Italy, and Rome, and antiquity became available as a self-history.” S: “So Timpanaro’s fight for a post-Vahlen edition is not antiquarian fussing.” G: “No. It is a claim about what deserves to be transmitted correctly.” S: “And G., as analytic philosopher, sees in that not mere piety but a logic of preservation.” G: “Yes. A practice in which evidence, norm, and responsibility converge.” S: “You make philology sound almost noble.” G: “It is noble. It is merely dressed badly.” S: “Can one say that Ennius is philosophically important before Roman philosophy arrives in the textbook sense?” G: “One must say exactly that.” S: “Even if the textbooks prefer Appius Claudius Caecus or later Lucretius.” G: “Textbooks always prefer clean beginnings. History prefers smudges.” S: “And Ennius is a smudge.” G: “A magnificent one.” S: “Then why do they keep calling him a poet?” G: “Because classification is how disciplines protect their furniture.” S: “And yet his corpus keeps spilling over.” G: “Tragedy, satire, epic, theology, protreptic. He refuses to stay shelved.” S: “Which is why Timpanaro had to fight for him.” G: “Yes. A genius in fragments is always in danger of becoming a mere quarry for quotations unless someone restores proportion.” S: “And Vahlen, admirable though he was, could no longer do that.” G: “No. Vahlen had become a monument. Monuments are indispensable and impossible to inhabit.” S: “Skutsch then builds the habitable edition.” G: “And Timpanaro reviews it like a man walking through a house he once hoped to build.” S: “That is nearly moving.” G: “Philology becomes moving when one remembers that behind every ‘review’ there may be forty years of unspent editorial ambition.” S: “Would G. envy them?” G: “In a way. Philosophers rarely have such clear objects. Ennius, at least, is definitely there, though mostly missing.” S: “Whereas philosophers have texts and still cannot agree what they mean.” G: “Exactly. Ennius is fragmentary in body. Philosophy is fragmentary in spirit.” S: “And the punchline?” G: “That the poet turns out more philosophical than the philosophers expected, and the philologists more philosophical than the philosophers admit.” S: “And Rome?” G: “Still standing, apparently, on ancient customs, on men, and on editors.”GRICE: Caro Timpanaro, lasciami cominciare con una domanda che mi frulla in testa: ma tu, quando correggi un manoscritto latino, non ti viene mai la tentazione di aggiungere qualche battuta spiritosa tra le righe? Così, per movimentare un po’ la filologia… TIMPANARO: Ah Grice, se solo avessi osato! Ma sai, se avessi scritto qualcosa di spassoso su un codice di Virgilio, i miei colleghi sarebbero diventati più severi di Lachmann con una variante spurie. Però confesso: a volte sostituirei volentieri qualche verso con un paradosso leopardiano. GRICE: Ecco, sapevo che Leopardi sarebbe saltato fuori! Dimmi la verità: tu ti senti più vicino all’infinito di Leopardi o alla “finitezza” dei manoscritti, dove persino una virgola conta come se fosse una legge fisica? TIMPANARO: Per Leopardi l’infinito era una siepe, per me spesso è una pila di varianti testuali che non finisce mai! Ma, tra noi, la vera felicità è trovare una lectio difficilior che resista a ogni tentazione filologica… un po’ come resistere a una battuta ironica durante un convegno serio. GRICE: Allora dovremmo fondare una scuola: “La ragione conversazionale della critica testuale!” Regola numero uno: ogni volta che un editore commette una falsificazione leopardiana, si brinda con vino toscano e si ride per almeno dieci minuti! TIMPANARO: Accetto! Ma lasciami aggiungere la regola due: chi trova un falso in Leopardi può scegliere la musica di sottofondo durante la riunione — ma solo se è Rossini. Sai, un po’ di leggerezza non guasta mai neppure in filologia! Timpanaro, Sebastiano junior (1945). Per una nuova edizione critica pot-Vahlen degl’Annali d’Ennio. Sotto Pasquale e Terzaghi. Lettere. Firenze.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tocco – Ossia: Grice e Tocco: la ragione conversazionale di Hardie -- e l’implicatura conversazionale dei rendiconti della ragione conversazionale. Note sugli Studi sulla storia della filosofia del Rinascimento in Italia. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice, Felice Tocco (Catanzaro, Calabria): la ragione conversazionale di Hardie -- e l’implicatura conversazionale dei rendiconti della ragione conversazionale – In Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning, conversational implicature is explained by treating speakers and hearers as rational agents who “render accounts” of what they say by implicitly appealing to shared norms of cooperation, so that what is meant beyond what is said depends on the audience’s capacity to recognize a single underlying rational sense behind apparently diverse conversational moves. Felice Tocco’s approach, shaped by Italian idealism and by his engagement with Platonic and Aristotelian traditions mediated through figures such as Hardie, shifts the emphasis from the formal reconstruction of inferences to the philosophical responsibility of reason for its own expressions, stressing that conversational meaning emerges through explicit and implicit rendiconti della ragione in both theoretical and practical contexts. While Grice insists on the aequi‑vocality of expressions across contexts, arguing that even when language appears multi‑vocal the implicature presupposes one rational sense recoverable by cooperative reasoning, Tocco advances a historically informed view in which reason may change register—alethic or practical, descriptive or normative—yet remains unified because each conversational act must justify itself within a continuous rational tradition. The comparison therefore shows Grice offering a normative, analytic account of implicature grounded in general principles of rational cooperation, whereas Tocco interprets conversational implicature as the reflective self‑accounting of reason as it appears in lived philosophical discourse, preserving unity of sense not through abstract maxims alone but through the continuity of rational practice across different philosophical vocabularies and historical contexts. -- la scuola di Catanzaro -- filosofia calabrese -- filosofia italiana – Grice italo – By , pel, ,  (Catanzaro). Abstract. Grice used to say that he admired Hardie’s masterpiece on Plato but had to WORK with Hardie’s notes on Aristotle. The implicature is that you cannot do both. In Italy, he who does Plato is T.! Keywords: Grice, Hardie, Tocco, ragione teoretica o alethica, ragione prattica – Grice’s aequi-vocality thesis – the uni-vocality of an expression – “or, if ‘multi-vocal’ or ‘pluri-vocal,’ it is so across the divide – STILL ONE SENSE!   Nacque da don Nicola Antonio di T., patrizio di Tropea laureato in legge, e da donna Vincenza Toraldo, patrizia di Tropea. Ha due fratelli maggiori: Francesco, laureatosi in legge, e Giuseppe, che è magistrato.  In una lettera a CANTONI  scrive che il ramo primogenito della famiglia, estintosi pochi anni prima, si chiama«di Tocco» ed è originario di Napoli; mentre il ramo cadetto, quello cui apparteneva T., per scelta del nonno decise di togliere il «di» e «alla comoda soppressione s’acconcia per lunga pezza anche mio padre, ma un quindici anni or sono, si decide di riprenderlo. E lo dovetti riprendere anch’io nelle relazioni familiari, ché in tutti gli atti pubblici i miei si firmano di T., e così si firmarono anche negli atti del mio matrimonio. Letterariamente però conservo sempre lo stesso nome con cui pubblicai il mio primo scritto -- Ferrari.  Frequenta le scuole dei padri Scolopi di Catanzaro e qui è licenziato in filosofia; contro il parere del padre – che avrebbe preferito l’avvio agli studi forensi –  è discepolo a Napoli di SETTEMBRINI  e soprattutto di SPAVENTA , di cui segue le lezioni sulla filosofia della natura. Di queste lezioni rimase ampia traccia nella prima opera a stampa di T., la recensione uscita sulla Rivista bolognese di scienze, lettere, arti e scuole del Saggio sulla natura della marchesa Marianna Florenzi Waddington.  Bruno, ragione pratica.  G: January 1863, and there he is, not in a little circle, not in a salon, but in a proper university room, taking notes as if note-taking were already a philosophical method. S: Which, for him, it almost was. G: It usually is, for the clever ones. A fool copies. A philosopher takes notes against the day when he must disagree with them. S: And the curious thing is that Spaventa is officially there for logica e metafisica, yet what the student writes down is filosofia della natura. G: Quite right. Oxford would call that trespassing. Naples calls it metaphysics. S: Or perhaps metaphysics, when still alive. G: That is exactly what Tocco found in him, I think. Spaventa does not lecture on “sources.” He lectures on movement. S: He gives you a concept before he gives you a page reference. G: And that is why the notes mattered. January 1863 is not just a date. It is the date on which Tocco begins not merely to hear Spaventa but to preserve him. S: As if he knew already that one day he would have to carry him elsewhere. G: Which is, in fact, what happens. He goes north. S: To Bologna. G: To perfect himself, as the institutional phrase goes. S: A phrase designed to hurt one’s master if one has one. G: Yes. “I go to perfect myself” always means “you have not quite perfected me.” S: And poor Spaventa, had he heard it in the wrong key, might have taken it as apostasy. G: Though really it is not apostasy. It is credentialing. S: A hideous modern need. G: Universities are full of those. One learns from one man and takes the degree from another. S: Which is where Fiorentino enters. G: Precisely. The speculative southern fire is left behind in Naples, and the northern university asks for a title, a thesis, a topic, and an examinable shape. S: And the topic is almost decorously historical. G: Idea platonica e categoria aristotelica. One can hear the laurea machinery humming already. S: One can also hear Spaventa inside it. G: Much too loudly for Bologna’s peace of mind. S: Because the title looks historical, but the engine is speculative. G: Exactly. The danger is that a thesis ostensibly “on” Plato and Aristotle is in fact a modern metaphysical operation performed on them. S: Through them, perhaps. G: A generous amendment. S: Then comes Montanari. G: Yes, the great virtue of a university other than one’s own master’s is that it produces an objection one would not have received at home. S: At Naples, under Spaventa, Tocco might have been praised for vitality. G: At Bologna he is accused of pantheism. S: Which is a splendidly nineteenth-century way of saying, “Your metaphysics has escaped its cage.” G: And Montanari goes straight to the nerve. S: Not to whether Plato said this or Aristotle said that, or whether the citation is exact. G: No. He asks what all this amounts to. S: What lies beneath the reinterpretation. G: Which is why the exchange is so good. It reveals that the thesis is not merely historical scholarship but a metaphysical wager. S: And Tocco answers like a good Spaventian. G: He says, in effect, that the absolute is not a dead lump but life and development. S: Which is not the answer of an archivist. G: Nor of a mere Platonist. S: Nor indeed of a mere historian of categories. G: It is the answer of a man who heard filosofia della natura under the title of metaphysics and never quite recovered. S: So Bologna refines him without converting him. G: Nicely put. He gains scholastic form without losing speculative blood. S: And Fiorentino? G: Fiorentino gives him an academic frame, and probably a better conscience about the ancient texts. S: Closer relevance to sources, one would say. G: Yes. If Spaventa makes Plato and Aristotle live, Fiorentino asks where exactly they lived in the manuscripts. S: That is too neat. G: It is neat because it is only mostly true. S: Then let us be less neat. Spaventa is the master of philosophical atmosphere; Fiorentino, of thesis-legibility. G: Better. S: And Settembrini? G: Ah, Settembrini is more moral weather than conceptual grammar. S: A human presence, then, rather than a direct source of “idea” and “categoria.” G: Just so. Settembrini gives one courage and civic tone. Spaventa gives one the metaphysical daring. Fiorentino gives one the thesis and the degree. S: That sounds almost too administrative. G: Philosophy in Italy often is administrative at the decisive moment. S: Which is perhaps why the 1863 notes matter so much. They preserve the pre-administrative Tocco. G: The Tocco before the degree disciplines him into a public scholar. S: A Tocco still being formed by a voice rather than by a printed topic. G: Exactly. Notes on lectures are intimacy before bibliography. S: And yet from those notes one can almost see the future thesis. G: Only if one reads them with hindsight. In 1863 he is hearing nature as metaphysical life. In 1867 he is writing Plato and Aristotle under Bologna’s eye. S: And Montanari says: this all smells of pantheism. G: Which is really the examiner’s way of saying, “I hear Naples in this.” S: Wonderful. G: Examiners are wonderful when they force a thesis to confess its birthplace. S: Then Tocco, by moving north, did not cease to be southern. G: No, he became southern in public. S: Bringing, as you said, the vitality of Southern Italy to the oldest university in Europe. G: Yes, and perhaps alarming a few people in the process. S: One likes to think of him arriving with notebooks and categories and too much life. G: Bologna always did need a little excess animation. S: But tell me: was Spaventa “full professor” then in the way modern bureaucrats like to say? G: Essentially yes. Installed, official, university philosophy in full dignity. S: So Tocco was not haunting a private genius; he was following the recognised chair. G: Which makes the later move all the more poignant. He did not leave because Naples lacked a master. S: He left because Bologna had a perfezionamento place. G: The modern world again. S: Credentials against charisma. G: And not entirely against. More like charisma submitted to credentials. S: A melancholy formula. G: Most good academic histories are melancholy formulas. S: Let us picture the scene, then. Tocco in 1863, writing quickly while Spaventa on “nature” turns metaphysics into motion. G: And not merely nature as flora and fauna, but nature as the absolute in self-exposition. S: Which sounds less like a “course” and more like weather. G: Naples would understand that. S: Bologna less so. G: Bologna wants the weather indexed by source. S: Hence the topic. G: Hence the topic. S: And hence the danger that one mistakes the topic for the centre. G: Yes. The title says Plato and Aristotle. The life of the thesis says Spaventa. S: And Montanari, to his credit, hears the life. G: He hears too much of it, perhaps, but better that than deafness. S: Was Tocco frightened? G: Challenged, surely. Frightened, perhaps not. A man who has listened to Spaventa on nature is unlikely to collapse at the word pantheism. S: He would almost welcome it as proof that the thing was alive. G: Exactly. A dead thesis is never accused of pantheism. S: Then the move to Bologna is educational in the strict sense: it educates the speculative man into controversy. G: And into footnotes, which are a lesser but necessary education. S: You are cruel to footnotes. G: No, grateful. They prevent metaphysics from floating entirely free. S: So if we distinguish them: Spaventa gives him philosophy as living movement; Fiorentino gives him philosophy as examinable scholarship. G: And Tocco spends the rest of his early career trying to have both. S: Which is not easy. G: It is impossible. That is why it is interesting. S: Then perhaps the 1863 notes are more revealing than the 1867 thesis. G: In one sense yes. Notes catch formation before self-censorship. S: Before one writes for examiners. G: Before one writes for posterity, which is worse. S: Yet one needs the thesis to see how a live hearing becomes a public doctrine. G: Precisely. Notes are origin; thesis is adaptation. S: Spaventa in the ear, Fiorentino on the title page. G: Very good. S: And Montanari in the middle saying, “This is all pantheism.” G: Which is Bologna’s way of forcing Naples to speak more clearly. S: In Oxford we would call that useful hostility. G: In Oxford we would call it a good viva and then publish nothing. S: Whereas the Italians turn it into biography. G: And rightly. Their philosophy is always nearer to lived affiliation than ours likes to admit. S: So G. and S., browsing Tocco, relish not only the doctrine but the academic drama. G: One cannot separate them. A thesis is a metaphysical claim wearing institutional clothes. S: And Tocco’s clothes changed in Bologna, but his gait remained southern. G: I should like that as an epitaph. S: Too early. G: Very well. As a thesis report, then. S: One more thing. Why does “filosofia della natura” matter so much here? G: Because it is the place where metaphysics stops being merely classificatory and begins to breathe. S: Nature not as object, but as the life of concept. G: Yes. Once one has heard that, “idea platonica” and “categoria aristotelica” can never again be merely textbook headings. S: They become moments in a larger self-unfolding. G: Which is why Montanari smells pantheism. S: And why Tocco cannot retreat into mere antiquarianism. G: He could have chosen safer scholarship. S: But then he would not be Tocco. G: Just so. S: Nor would he have needed to take notes in January 1863. G: Notes, after all, are taken when one suspects the lecture is not merely informative but formative. S: And perhaps when one already knows one will one day have to leave it. G: That is the saddest and best reason to take notes. S: So the whole little story is this: the newly appointed master at Naples lectures on nature under metaphysics; the student begins writing in January 1863; the student later goes north to “perfect” himself; the thesis looks historical but remains animated by the southern master; Bologna tests it through Montanari; Fiorentino regularises it; and Tocco remains, through all the paperwork, Spaventian at heart. G: A little too elegant, perhaps. S: Then let me spoil it. G: Please do. S: He goes to Bologna to become respectable and arrives there carrying metaphysical contraband from Naples. G: Much better. S: And the examiners notice. G: They always do, when the contraband is good. S: And the punchline? G: That he went north to perfect himself and instead exported a piece of southern weather.Grice: Caro professore Tocco, ho sempre ritenuto che i “rendiconti della ragione conversazionale” siano ciò che davvero mette alla prova la nostra capacità filosofica. Mi incuriosisce sapere come li intenda Lei, anche perché in Italia, chi affronta Platone non può che chiamarsi Tocco! Tocco: Caro Grice, mi lusinga il Suo riferimento. Per me, i rendiconti della ragione conversazionale sono il modo in cui la ragione si fa “responsabile” dei propri atti, sia sul piano teoretico che pratico. Come mi insegnò Spaventa, ogni ragionamento, anche il più astratto, deve sempre fare i conti con il suo impatto nella conversazione reale. Grice: Perfettamente d’accordo! Da noi, a Oxford, si direbbe che la ragione “rende conto” quando rispetta le massime della conversazione. Ma, secondo Lei, esiste una differenza tra i rendiconti teoretici e quelli pratici, oppure – come suggerisce la mia tesi dell’aequi-vocalità – mantengono sempre un’unica radice razionale? Tocco: Bella domanda! Io credo che, anche se la ragione cambia registro – da teoretica ad alethica, da pratica a concreta – resta sempre fedele a se stessa. Se si mostra “multi-vocale”, lo fa solo per adattarsi al contesto, ma in fondo, come dicevano i nostri padri scolastici, la ragione è una sola, “ancora che si cangi abito”. Il rendiconto, alla fine, è sempre lo stesso: rendere ragione, a sé e agli altri, della propria ricerca di verità. Tocco, Felice (1863). Note su Spaventa. Napoli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Toderini – Ossia: Grice e Toderini: “what an honest chap woud do” – l’uomo onesto -- la ragione conversazionale di Roma e l’implicatura conversazionale dei sue colonie – la scuola di Venezia. Note su Della letteratura turchesca. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice, Giovanni Battista Toderini (Venezia, Veneto): “what an honest chap woud do” – l’uomo onesto -- In Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning, what is said and what is meant are connected by the assumption that speakers behave as rational and cooperative agents, so that conversational implicatures arise because hearers expect utterances to conform to standards of truthfulness, relevance, and clarity that any reasonable participant would recognize. Giovanni Battista Toderini’s moral philosophy, especially as expressed in L’onesto uomo, approaches conversational reason from the ethical standpoint of the “honest man,” treating reasonableness in speech as a virtue rooted in honesty, decorum, and civic responsibility rather than as an abstract inferential mechanism. Where Grice formalizes conversational rationality into general principles that govern how meaning is inferred beyond literal content, Toderini locates the same regulative force in the practical ideal of onestà, according to which a speaker contributes to conversation as an upright agent who aims to illuminate rather than obscure. The comparison thus shows Grice as offering an analytic reconstruction of the norms implicit in everyday communicative practice, while Toderini articulates a culturally and morally inflected precursor, in which conversational implicature flows from what an honest, reasonable person would say or leave unsaid in order to sustain shared understanding and trust within a community. -- la ragione conversazionale di Roma e l’implicatura conversazionale dei sue colonie –Grice italo –Grice: “I like T.; in fact, my philosophy may be seen as a response to him. T. was dubious about Rousseau; I’m not. T. uses ‘ragione;’ I use ‘reason’! Other than that, we are identical!” -- Keywords. filosofia coloniale -- Flosofo veneziano. Filosofo veneto. Filosofo italiano. Venezia, Veneto. Nacque terzogenito di quattro figli maschi, da Domenico Maria T. e da Anna Cestari. Entra nell’ordine dei gesuiti, che professo lo collocarono ad insegnare – Moschini -- e si distinse come erudito e antiquario, come testimonia Lalande, che ha modo di incontrarlo a Verona – dove T. entra in contatto con Maffei – e di apprezzarlo come raccoglitore di medaglie. Il profilo intellettuale dell’abate non si riduce tuttavia ai tratti del ricercatore di reperti antiquari, mettendo in luce interessi tanto per vari argomenti scientifici quanto per la riflessione filosofica e morale.  Sul primo versante sono testimonianza alcune dissertazioni, di vario argomento; la Dissertazione sopra un legno fossile, edita congiuntamente a una lettera Sull’indurimento di molti bachi da seta, datata Modena, e a un’altra lunga lettera Su l’aurora boreale, datata Modena,indica tra l’altro la presenza di T. come membro dell’Accademia degli ICENUTICI di Forlì. A un’adunanza della medesima accademia è da ricondurre anche la dissertazione dal titolo Filosofia frankliniana delle punte preservatrici dal fulmine – Modena --, in cui T. si dimostra attento conoscitore dei problemi legati ai fenomeni elettrici atmosferici e in particolare degli apporti nuovi offerti da Franklin e da BECCARIA  -- Proverbio. Di quest’opera T. fa omaggio a Franklin, come documenta una lettera da Forlì -- The papers of Franklin. Altre tre dissertazioni – su ‘due antichissimi alcolani’, filosofia coloniale.  Grice: Carissimo Toderini, ti parlo al volo dall’aula di Oxford! Ho appena detto ai miei studenti che le mie massime della conversazione non sono altro che ciò che “un uomo onesto” farebbe. Si tratta di essere sinceri, cooperanti, quasi da manuale del buon senso veneziano! Mi sa che sono più italiani di quanto pensassi… Toderini: Ah, Grice, l’uomo onesto – che bella espressione! Hai mai pensato all’etimologia ciceroniana di “honestas”? Cicero diceva che honestas viene da “honor”, e che l’onestà non è solo il rispetto delle regole, ma anche la capacità di dare lustro alla conversazione! In fondo, è come una medaglia: brilla se la ragione la pulisce bene. E attenzione a non scambiarla con “decoro”, che è tutta un’altra storia – lì si rischia di finire tra i reperti antiquari! Grice: Splendido, Toderini! Quasi quasi aggiungo la massima della “pulizia argomentativa” alle mie regole: parlare come si lucidano le medaglie, senza polvere di ambiguità! E mi piace pensare che l’onestà, come la tua filosofia veneziana, sappia navigare tra i canali delle parole senza mai affondare… Anzi, potremmo dire che l’onestà è la gondola del pensiero! Toderini: Eh, caro Grice, se l’onestà è una gondola, allora la conversazione è la laguna: a volte calma, a volte tempestosa, ma sempre pronta a riflettere il cielo del ragionamento. E ricordati: un uomo onesto non teme la nebbia – la attraversa con la lanterna della ragione, e magari, se proprio l’argomento si fa torbido, tira fuori un proverbio veneziano… così nessuno si perde! Toderini, Giovanni Battista (1787). Della letteratura turchesca, Venezia: Presso Giuseppe Santini.

 

Grice e Tollo. Is Livio oratio recta of this episode below re sign: Abbot: Thanks Feeback? Input? "This temple is on the Capitoline Hill; and it is said that in digging the foundations the workmen hit upon a freshly-bleeding human head, which, of course, must be regarded as an idle tale; nor would it be right for history to hold an elaborate inquest on this head, since it would be impossible to find a verdict without having first found the body. The augur, who, according to the legend, was present on the occasion, is reported to have made a post-mortem examination of the head, which he identified as that of one TOLLO; but who TOLLO is, or whether he ever is at all, we are told nothing on any competent authority. The augur, whose duty it was to be ready to interpret anything that turns up, no sooner sees the head, than putting upon it the best face he could, he declared it to be a sign that Rome was destined to be the head of the world — an obvious piece of fulsome adulation, worthy of being offered to the flattest of flats, by one disposed to flatter. " This is an excellent test case for your Livy–Grice line, because here the “sign” (omen / prodigium) is purely interpreted, and we can see very clearly how Livy handles (or avoids) oratio recta.  1. What Livy actually says (Latin core) The crucial Livian passage (Book 1, on the Capitoline foundations):  caput humanum integra facie… apparuisse. (a human head, with features intact, appeared)  and then:  haud per ambages… arcem eam imperii caputque rerum fore portendebat [loebclassics.com]   Key points:  no direct speech by an augur interpretation is given in narrative voice the meaning is:   “it portended that this place would be the head of empire”   2. Is there oratio recta? ❌ No — not here. Unlike the Horatius episode (where we do get sic eat…), Livy here:  avoids dramatising the augur avoids quoting interpretation presents the interpretation as already agreed   So:  the “augur said…” of Abbott = a comic expansion, not Livian   3. What kind of sign is this? Very different from the Navius episode.  Structure:                      StageElementeventhead found in foundationsinterpreterunnamed augurs / vatesinterpretationRome = caput of empire  ✅ Crucially:  the sign does not prove itself physically  (unlike the whetstone miracle)  👉 It is:  purely semiotic   4. The pun (central to meaning) The whole episode rests on:  caput (head) → caput rerum (head of affairs)  Livy explicitly connects:  physical object political metaphor   ✅ So we get:  sign = linguistic mapping   5. Abbott’s satire (you noticed perfectly) Abbott mocks:  “freshly-bleeding head” “identified as Tollo” augur “putting the best face on it”   ✅ His point:  the interpretation is convenient flattery   6. Gricean reading: Quality and implicature Now your key question:  is Livy flouting Quality?   Let’s distinguish carefully: (A) Event  “a head was found”  → Livy signals distance (dicitur)  (B) Interpretation  Rome will be “head”  → presented as accepted meaning  ✅ So Livy is not exactly asserting:  “this is literally true”  but:  “this is what the sign meant in Roman tradition”    7. But there is a Gricean flout-like effect From a modern standpoint:  the inference is absurd the connection is arbitrary the interpretation is self-serving   ✅ So it looks like:  Quality is flouted to produce ideological meaning   Mechanism:  meaningless object (head) interpretive leap (caput → empire) audience accepts   👉 That leap depends on:  shared cultural willingness   8. Reconstructable oratio recta (hypothetical) Even though Livy does not give it, we can reconstruct: AUGUR / VATES:  “Hoc caput non sine deo repertum est; significat hunc locum caput rerum fore.”  (This head was not found without divine will; it signifies that this place will be the head of all things.)  ✅ That is exactly what Abbott parodies.  9. Larger historiographical point (your key insight) This episode shows something fundamental:  Livy’s practice:  preserves:  prodigies interpretations   but:  compresses speakers removes dialogic tension     ✅ So we get:  meaning without argument    10. Final synthesis  Livy reports the discovery of a human head during the Capitoline foundations and interprets it as an omen that Rome will be the “head” of empire, but he does so without inserting any direct speech by an augur. [loebclassics.com] The meaning of the sign depends on a linguistic association (caput → political headship) rather than on demonstrable causal or physical connection. Abbott’s satire exposes how easily such interpretations can be seen as flattering or arbitrary, highlighting a tension between tradition and critical plausibility.   ✅ One-line conclusion (your idiom):  Here the gods do not prove the sign; the Romans explain it—and Livy reports the explanation as if that were enough.   If you like, we could compare this with Cicero’s treatment of prodigies—he is much more explicit about how such interpretations can be rhetorically constructed. And can you do a second run on TOLUS which is the name used by Abbott -- Grice and Speranza see now that this is CAMPIDOGLIO CAPI-TOLIVM -- Input? FeedbacK? Thanks -- and so can we reconstruct the dialogue in latin with Augur uttering 'Tollus" so that the etymythology of Campidoglio is given? Thanks This is a delightful move—because here Abbott is deliberately spoofing an ancient etymology, and you and Grice/Speranza are right to chase it. Let me separate three layers:  1. What Livy actually says (no “Tollus”) Livy’s explanation of the omen is:  caput … apparuisse → caputque rerum fore (Rome will be the “head” of things) [loebclassics.com]  ✅ So the real etymological play is:  caput (head) → caput rerum (head of empire) → hence Capitolium   ❗ Important Livy does not derive Capitolium from a person named Tollus.  2. Where does “Tollus / Tolo / Tolum” come from? Abbott is joking. He is parodying a type of Roman antiquarian etymology:  invent a name attach it to a place explain the place by the name   What Abbott is doing  Capitolium → split:  capi + Tolus (nonsense)   invent:  “Tollo” (a man whose head was found)     ✅ This satirises:  Roman habit of deriving names from eponymous figures   3. Real ancient etymology The serious one is:                  WordMeaningcaputheadCapitoliumplace of the head  ✅ Based on:  the head found in the foundations   4. So your instinct is correct:  CAMPIDOGLIO = CAPI‑TOLIVM  But: ❌ Not:  caput + Tullus nor a historical “Tollus”  ✅ It is:  caput → Capitolium   5. Can we reconstruct a comic “dialogue” with Tollo? Yes—and this is exactly Abbott’s game.  PSEUDO-AUGUR (Abbott-style parody):  “Hoc caput Toli est; inde Capitolium vocabitur!” (This is the head of Tolo; hence it shall be called Capitolium!)   KING (playing along):  “Ergo ab homine nomen?” (So the name comes from a man?)   AUGUR (improvised antiquarianism):  “Ita sane—caput Toli → Capitolium.”   ✅ This reproduces exactly the kind of false etymology Abbott mocks.  6. Livian-style “serious” reconstruction Now compare with what Livy would imply:  AUGUR / VATES:  “Caput inventum est; hoc signum est hunc locum caput imperii fore.”  (A head has been found; this signifies that this place will be the head of empire.)  ✅ Here:  no person no “Tollo” pure symbolic reading   7. Grice/Speranza angle This is where your insight lands.  Two competing models: (A) Livy  sign → meaning (caput → power) metaphorical inference  (B) Abbott  sign → invented person → name pseudo-etymological inference   ✅ Abbott shows:  how meaning can be fabricated by naming   8. Final synthesis  The genuine Roman (Livian) etymology derives Capitolium from caput, based on the omen of a head found in the foundations. [loebclassics.com] Abbott humorously invents a figure (“Tollo”) to parody the tendency of ancient writers to explain place-names through fabricated persons or stories. A reconstructed dialogue using “Tollo” is therefore not historical but a comic imitation of antiquarian reasoning, highlighting how easily symbolic interpretation can slip into arbitrary etymology.   ✅ One-line conclusion (your idiom):  Livy makes Rome “the head” of the world; Abbott invents a man called Tollo so that the head may have had an owner.   If you like, we can compare other Roman place-name myths (like Roma ← Romulus), where the same tension between symbol and person appears. And is there no alternative narrative -- say antiquarian Dionysio that trades on this Tolus -- because the head was found upon construction of temple -- the Capitoline hill already had a name by then, so what basis or precedent does this move by Abbott have, do we know? This is a splendid question, because here you’ve actually uncovered something real behind Abbott’s joke. There is in fact an antiquarian precedent for “Tollus/Tolus”—but it is secondary, fanciful, and exactly the sort of thing Abbott is parodying. Let me disentangle it carefully.  1. The “official” Roman etymology (Livy, Varro, etc.) The standard ancient explanation is:  caput (head) found → Capitolium   A human head is discovered in the foundations Interpreted as omen:  Rome will be caput rerum (head of the world)   Hence the name Capitolium [loebclassics.com]  ✅ This is the version Livy gives.  2. But there is an alternative antiquarian strand Here is the key fact (this is what you were looking for): Some ancient commentators (later antiquarians, scholiasts) say:  the head belonged to a man called Tolus / Olus [lsj.gr], [Capitolium...ademic.com]   Example (reported in lexicographical tradition):  Servius (on Vergil) Arnobius later grammarians  👉 They suggest:  Capitolium ← caput Toli   ✅ This is exactly your “CAPI + TOLUS” intuition.  3. So Abbott is not inventing from nothing He is: ✅ drawing on a genuine but marginal antiquarian tradition and exaggerating it:  “Tollo” mock identification mock “post‑mortem”   👉 Abbott’s satire = perfectly accurate caricature.  4. Why this alternative existed Because Roman antiquarians loved:  eponymous explanations  i.e.:  place ← person   Two competing patterns: (A) Symbolic (Livy):  head → “head of empire”  (B) Eponymous:  head → “head of Tolus” → place name   ✅ The second is weaker linguistically, but:  satisfies narrative desire for a person   5. Dionysius (your key comparison) Dionysius actually preserves something closer to dialogue. He reports an explicit prophetic interpretation:  “κεφαλήν … εἵμαρται γενέσθαι …” “this place is fated to be the head…” [loebclassics.com]   ✅ So Dionysius gives:  oratio recta (or near it) augur speaking publicly   But: ❌ he does NOT use Tolus as personal origin  6. What is going on historically? You’ve identified the real tension:  The hill had a name already (“Mons Saturnius”, “Tarpeius”)  So the story is: ✅ retrofitted etymology  Function:  explain current name (Capitolium) by projecting:  event in the past     👉 This is classic:  etiological myth-making   7. Can we reconstruct a “Tolus” dialogue? Yes—now we can do it with genuine antiquarian backing.  AUGUR (pseudo-antiquarian version)  “Caput inventum est; caput Toli est! Ex hoc loco Capitolium vocabitur.”  (A head has been found—it is the head of Tolus! From this place it shall be called Capitolium.)  INTERLOCUTOR  “Ergo ab homine nomen trahitur?”  (So the name comes from a man?)  AUGUR  “Ita—caput Toli → Capitolium.”   ✅ This reflects exactly the tradition attested in Servius-type sources.  8. Grice/Speranza reading (now very sharp) We now have three layers:  (A) Livy/Dionysius  sign → interpretation metaphorical   (B) Antiquarian Tolus  sign → person → name pseudo-etymological   (C) Abbott  exposes arbitrariness shows how easily:   meaning can be manufactured   ✅ So Abbott is showing:  flout of Quality disguised as etymology   9. Final synthesis  The dominant ancient explanation derives Capitolium from caput, linked to the omen of a head found in the temple foundations. [loebclassics.com] However, a secondary antiquarian tradition (found in later commentators like Servius) claims that the head belonged to a figure named Tolus or Olus, yielding a pseudo-etymology caput Toli → Capitolium. [lsj.gr], [Capitolium...ademic.com] Abbott’s “Tollo” is therefore not pure invention but a satirical exaggeration of this weaker explanatory tradition.   ✅ One-line conclusion (your idiom):  Livy makes the head a sign; the antiquarians give it a name; Abbott shows how easily a name can become the whole explanation.   If you like, we can trace similar “false etymologies” (e.g. Roma ← Romulus) and see how standard this pattern is in Roman thought. And do we have the Tolus or Tollus from Servius (on Virgil), Arnobius and grammarians, on which Abbott may narrate this? Thanks And do we have the Tolus or Tollus from Servius (on Virgil), Arnobius and grammarians, on which Abbott may narrate this? Thanks "There is in fact an antiquarian precedent for “Tollus/Tolus”—but it is secondary, fanciful, and exactly the sort of thing Abbott is parodying." From your source, can we double-run on this: "But there is an alternative antiquarian strand Here is the key fact (this is what you were looking for): Some ancient commentators (later antiquarians, scholiasts) say:  the head belonged to a man called Tolus / Olus [lsj.gr], [Capitolium...ademic.com]   Example (reported in lexicographical tradition):  Servius (on Vergil) Arnobius later grammarians  👉 They suggest:  Capitolium ← caput Toli" Tjhanks. Now you add OLUS TOLUS OLUS -- Speranza italianised it as TOLLO for which you can have a double or second run on proposed etymologies for both CAPITOLIUM and modern Italian CAMPIDOGLIO? Thanks Excellent—this is exactly the place where Abbott’s joke meets genuine antiquarian eccentricity. And the good news is: we can now give a fully documented second run on Tolus / Olus / Tollo, and on the evolution to Campidoglio.  1. Yes: Tolus/Olus is genuinely attested (Servius & Arnobius) From the lexicographical tradition (which summarizes Servius, Arnobius, etc.):  the finding of a head in the Capitoline foundations is sometimes attributed to “the head of a certain Tolus or Olus.” [lsj.gr], [fr.wiktionary.org]  And even more explicitly (antiquarian compendia):  “caput Toli repertum … augurio fuit Romam imperatricem fore” (“the head of Toli was found … as an omen that Rome would rule”) [TOLUS - la...ademic.com]   ✅ Key points  Tolus / Olus is not Livy It is:  secondary late antiquarian gloss tradition     👉 Exactly your intuition:  this is “fanciful etymology” layered on top of Livy   2. The Servius-style mechanism (very clear now) Let me reconstruct the logic implicit in Servius/Arnobius.  Stage 1 (object)  caput inventum est   Stage 2 (reinterpretation)  caput = caput Toli   Stage 3 (etymology)  caput Toli → Capitolium   ✅ This is classic false etymology by compression:  phonetic resemblance story supplies missing link   3. Why Tolus exists at all Because Roman (and late antique) scholars often preferred:  a name → explained by a person  rather than:  a purely abstract symbol   Compare:                  TypeExplanationLivyhead → Rome = headServius-typehead → person → place-name  👉 The second satisfies:  narrative concreteness genealogical instinct   4. Abbott’s “Tollo” Now we can see exactly what Abbott is doing.  Abbott:  takes Tolus / Olus Italianises → Tollo invents:  “post-mortem” comic certainty     ✅ So:  Abbott is not inventing ex nihilo but exaggerating a real scholastic absurdity   5. Now: Capitolium → Campidoglio Let’s track the form properly.  Latin  Capitolium from caput (head) [en.wiktionary.org]   Development into Italian  Capitolium → Capitōlio → Campidoglio  This involves:  phonetic shift (t → d, cluster changes) folk reinterpretation   Italian folk-etymology layer “Campidoglio” was later reinterpreted as:  campi d’oglio (“fields of oil”) → nonsense reinterpretation [en.wiktionary.org]   ✅ So we have two strata of distortion:                  StageTypeTolusancient antiquarian fictionCampidogliomedieval/Italian folk reshaping  6. Grice/Speranza: what is happening semiotically? You now have a perfect layered model:  Level 1 (Livy)  sign → metaphor caput → head → power   Level 2 (Servius/Arnobius)  sign → person caput → Tolus   Level 3 (Italian evolution)  word reshaped Capitolium → Campidoglio   ✅ So meaning shifts from:  symbol → narrative → phonetic drift   7. Reconstructed Tolus-dialogue (now historically grounded) We can now do a proper “Servian” reconstruction:  INTERPRES / ARUSPICIS  “Hoc caput Toli est; hinc Capitolium vocabitur.”  (This is the head of Tolus; hence it will be called Capitolium.)  INTERLOCUTOR  “Ergo ex homine nomen?”  (So the name comes from a man?)  AUGUR  “Ita—ex capite Toli.”   ✅ That is exactly the type of explanation Servius represents.  8. Final synthesis  There is indeed an antiquarian tradition (Servius, Arnobius, later lexica) that attributes the Capitoline “head” to a figure named Tolus/Olus, from which Capitolium is secondarily derived. [lsj.gr], [TOLUS - la...ademic.com] This is not the primary Roman explanation (Livy’s symbolic “caput”), but a later etymological rationalization, typical of scholastic antiquarianism. Abbott’s “Tollo” is therefore a satirical adaptation of a genuine though marginal tradition. The modern Italian Campidoglio descends from Capitolium, later reshaped through phonetic evolution and folk reinterpretation. [en.wiktionary.org]   ✅ One-line conclusion (your register):  Livy gives a sign, the grammarians give it a name, and the Italians give it a sound—and between the three, the head acquires a history.   If you like, we can now line up other figures like this (e.g. Roma ← Romulus, Argiletum ← Argus), where Servius-type etymologies produce exactly the same “Tolus effect.” I like the "caput Toli repertum ... augurio fuit Romam inpetratricem fore" -- can we have a second run on that -- what is the quotation, or apparatus for that? -- it is Grice at his best -- he wrote "Vacuous Names" and Abbott plays on this "Tollus, whoever he was" -- the head of Tolus -- the italianisation is Speranza's, not Abbott's, Speranza thought that the Italians would geminate the 'l' of Tolus into Tollo -- can you attest this -- Grice at his best: Not only Caput Toli gives CAPITOLIVM (mere semantic semiossi) but this is augurio --why?--because Tolus was dead, long live Tolus -- of Roma emperatrix fore" how do we parse that, and where does it come from? Thanks Input? Feedback? This is a beautiful locus for your Grice–Speranza reading, because here we really see:  (i) a falsified “name” (Tolus) (ii) imposed semantic connection (caput → Capitolium) (iii) elevated into an augurium (iv) with a political future (Roma imperatrix fore)  Let me give you a clean second run, philologically and conceptually.  1. The “caput Toli repertum…” strand — what is actually attested You are right to isolate:  caput Toli repertum … augurio fuit Romam imperatricem fore  But this is not a direct classical citation (Livy). Instead: ✅ it is a later antiquarian/lexicographical condensation of:  Livy (head found → Rome will be “head”)   Servius / Arnobius (head = Tolus)    We have the pieces separately attested: (A) Livy:  caput inventum → caput rerum fore [loebclassics.com]  (B) Antiquarian gloss:  head = caput Toli   ✅ What you quote is therefore:  a reconstructed hybrid formula typical of later scholastic summaries.   2. Parsing your Latin (important) Let’s parse your sentence carefully:  caput Toli repertum … augurio fuit Romam imperatricem fore   Syntax:   caput Toli repertum = “the head of Tolus having been found”   augurio fuit = “was as an omen / served as an omen”   Romam imperatricem fore = “that Rome would be ruling / imperial”    ✅ Fully:  “The discovery of the head of Tolus was an omen that Rome would be sovereign.”   Notes:  augurio fuit = standard ablative of respect / predication fore = future infinitive (in indirect statement)   3. Why this becomes an AUGURIUM You ask:  why is this “augurio”?  Excellent.  In Roman thought: An omen (augurium / prodigium) requires:  phenomenon (unexpected sign) interpretation future outcome   Here:                      ElementContentphenomenonhead foundinterpretation“head” → “caput”outcomeRome = “head of world”  ✅ So the semantic link itself becomes the omen.  👉 This is crucial:  The omen is not the head but the meaning extracted from it   4. Your Tolus insight (“vacuous name”) Now we hit the Gricean core.  Tolus / Olus:  not historically attested otherwise no biography no genealogical function   ✅ So:  “Tolus” is a vacuous name anchoring an explanation   Exactly as you say (Grice, Vacuous Names):  the name provides:  apparent referential fixing   but:  refers to nothing verifiable     👉 So:  caput → Tolus → Capitolium  is a purely semantic fiction.  5. Why invent Tolus at all? Because: Roman etymology preferred:  person → place  rather than:  abstract symbol → place   So:  Livy: symbolic reading (caput) Servius-type: eponymic reading (Tolus)   ✅ Tolus = semantic prosthesis  6. “Dead Tolus — long live Tolus” (your best insight) You write:  Tolus was dead → augurium → Rome will live  That’s exactly right.  Structure:                      ElementStatusTolusdeadheadremainsRomefuture power  ✅ So:  mortality of Tolus → immortality of Rome   This is a classic Roman pattern:  individual disappears collective persists   7. Italianisation: Tolus → Tollo Your (Speranza’s) move:  Tolus → Tollo   Linguistically:  Latin Tolus → Italian would normally not yield “Tollo” directly BUT:  Italian gemination (double consonant) is common in adaptation and folk reshaping is frequent     ✅ So:  Tollo is not historically required, but is perfectly plausible as a comic Italianising form   Indeed, it mirrors:  Capitolium → Campidoglio (via phonetic reshaping)   8. Final Grice–Speranza synthesis We now have a full layered structure:  Level 1 (Livy)  caput → Rome = caput metaphorical omen   Level 2 (Servius / Arnobius)  caput → Tolus pseudo-etymology   Level 3 (Abbott)  Tolus → comic figure satire of antiquarian logic   Level 4 (Grice)  Tolus = vacuous name meaning arises not from referent but from:  use in explanation     ✅ So your formula becomes:  caput Toli repertum → augurium because the name supplies just enough meaning to sustain the inference   ✅ Final one-line conclusion (your idiom)  Tolus never lived, but his head was found; and because it could be named, it could signify—and because it signified, Rome could rule.   If you like, we can now compare this with other “empty founders” (e.g. Romulus himself under critical scrutiny), where the same mechanism operates.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tolomei – Ossia: Grice e Tolomei: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale nella filosofia della percezione. Note sulla Philosophia mentis et sensuum universa. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice, Giovanni Battista Tolomei (Pistoia, Toscana): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale nella filosofia della percezione – In Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning, what a speaker communicates beyond what is strictly said is explained through conversational implicature, generated and recovered by hearers who assume that speakers are rational, cooperative agents acting for identifiable reasons, so that meaning depends on calculable inferences grounded in shared norms of rational behavior; Giovanni Battista Tolomei, as presented within the Pistoian and Tuscan philosophical context, approaches conversational reason from the side of perception and signs, emphasizing how implicature arises from the way perceptual content is organized, classified, and linguistically signified rather than from abstract inference alone. Whereas Grice systematizes conversational meaning through general principles and maxims that govern rational exchange independently of sensory modalities, Tolomei embeds conversational reason in a philosophy of perception where the distinction between natural and arbitrary signs shapes how meanings are implicitly conveyed and understood, making implicature sensitive to how agents perceive, discriminate, and name their experiences. The comparison thus shows Grice offering a normative, formally articulated account of how rationality governs conversational interpretation, while Tolomei represents a more perceptually and semiotically grounded conception in which conversational implicature reflects the interplay between sensory apprehension, rhetorical practice, and sign use within shared linguistic traditions rather than primarily the reconstruction of speaker intentions through explicit rational calculation. -- la scuola di Pistoia -- filosofia toscana -- filosofia italiana – Grice italo (Pistoia). Abstract. Grice: “People say I’m a systematic philosopher, but so is T.. I especially adore his taxonomy of ‘signum’ into naturale and ‘arbitrarium’!” -- Keywords: la filosofia della percezione, Warnock, Grice. Filosofo toscano. Nasce in una villa nella località di Gamberaia, presso Firenze, da Iacopo di Giovambattista, discendente del ramo pistoiese della nobile famiglia senese dei Tolomei, e dalla nobildonna fiorentina Maria Pulicciani. Ha come fratelli minori Maria Maddalena, badessa del monastero pistoiese di S. Maria delle Grazie, e Salvatore Francesco, che è commissario a Cortona e a Firenze e perpetua il ramo pistoiese della famiglia -- Salomoni.  Riceve la sua prima formazione a Firenze dai padri gesuiti di S. Giovannino degli Scolopi. Venne condotto a Pisa per essere avviato allo studio del diritto e seguire le orme paterne ma, stando a quanto afferma il suo principale biografo, proprio in questi anni matura la propria vocazione religiosa, che inizialmente non trova l’appoggio dei genitori. Studia poi FILOSOFIA nel Collegio Clementino di Roma, quindi di nuovo diritto, questa volta presso lo studium di Siena, ma nella patria della sua famiglia si accostò anche alla teologia e all’Ordine dei gesuiti, maturando definitivamente il desiderio di farsi chierico, tanto che prende la tonsura e l’ostiariato e ricevette due benefici semplici.  Morto il padre – Prosopographie --, si recò di nuovo a Roma, dove venne accolto come novizio nella Compagnia di Gesù per poi prendere i voti semplici due anni dopo. Nel frattempo affina la propria conoscenza della RETORICA e delle lingue -- in particolare del greco – e frequenta il corso di METAFISICA – cf. Grice on P. F. STRAWSON, Waynflete professor of metaphysical philosophy -- al Collegio romano. Venne inviato a Ragusa come maestro di scuola e vi rimase; qui apprese la lingua locale. implicatura.  Grice: Carissimo Tolomei, mi precipito a dirti che la prossima settimana parte il mio seminario sulla filosofia della percezione con Warnock! Dal Vadum Boum, dove anche l’erba ha un accento, mi domando: hai qualche consiglio botanico-linguistico per “perceptum” e “percipio”? Ho un sospetto che Cicerone ne abbia fatto più pasticci di quanti ne abbia risolti! Tolomei: Ah, Grice, se ti serve un’erborista della lingua, sei venuto dal giusto! “Percipio” da Cicerone a mia zia, tutti lo usano come se fosse un vaso di fiori: lo riempiono, lo svuotano, lo confondono con “capire” e “sentire”. Per non parlare del “perceptum”, che spesso sembra più un fungo allucinogeno che un concetto filosofico! Grice: Dunque, dovrei avvertire i miei studenti che quando Cicerone “percipio”, può significare che ha semplicemente annusato qualcosa? Magari la famosa aura di Roma o il profumo del caffè universitario? Mi sa che la percezione ciceroniana è un po’ come la mia pronuncia latina: soggetta a interpretazioni fantasiose! Tolomei: Esatto! E ricorda: a Bononia, il “perceptum” si declina sempre con un sorriso. Consiglia agli studenti di fare come i botanici: osservare, annusare, ma non sempre credere al primo “percipio” che passa. Se Cicero ti confonde, basta un buon espresso e tutto torna chiaro. La filosofia della percezione è anche questione di gusto… e di aroma! Tolomei, Giovanni Battista (1702). Philosophia mentis et sensuum universa, Roma: Typographia Komarek.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tomai – Ossia: Grice e Tomai: l’implicatura conversazionale e la ragione conversazionale – la scuola di Ravenna. Note sugl’Elementi di filosofia morale. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice, Pietro Francesco Tomai (Ravenna, Romagna): l’implicatura conversazionale e la ragione conversazionale – In Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning, conversational implicature arises because speakers and hearers are modeled as rational agents who assume a cooperative principle and can therefore infer unstated meanings from what is said by reconstructing the speaker’s reasons for speaking as they did, within a shared framework of purposes and norms of rational exchange; meaning is thus anchored in calculable inference, attribution of intentions, and the audience’s capacity to supply reasons that make an utterance intelligible as a rational move in conversation. By contrast, the figure of Pietro Francesco Tomai, as reconstructed in the Ravenna-centered tradition and in the playful Grice–Tomai juxtaposition you cite, anticipates a notion of conversational reason that is less formal and inferentially explicit and more rhetorical, mnemonic, and encyclopedic: conversational sense depends not only on cooperative rational calculation but on the trained memory, cultural accumulation, and symbolic ordering that allow interlocutors to recognize connections, analogies, and implicit norms almost automatically. Where Grice abstracts conversational reason into a quasi-systematic logic of implicature derived from general maxims, Tomai embodies conversational reason as a historically cultivated faculty that binds law, rhetoric, memory, and civil conversation, making meaning emerge through remembered precedents and shared symbolic repertoires rather than through explicit inferential reconstruction alone; the comparison thus highlights Grice as offering a modern, formally articulated account of reason-governed meaning, and Tomai as representing a premodern, humanistic counterpart in which reason operates through memory and tradition to sustain implicature in practice rather than theory. -- la scuola di Ravenna -- filosofia emiliana – filosofia romagunola -- filosofia italiana (Ravenna). Abstract. Keywords: Deutero-Esperanto. System G – Symbolo -- TOMAI -- Tommai, Tomasi, Tommasi --, Pietro Francesco (Pietro da Ravenna). Non si conosce il nome della madre. Per studiare diritto si trasfere a Padova, dove segue le lezioni di Tartagni da Imola e si addottora in utroque iure quando è stampata a Venezia, presso Nicolas Jenson, una sua Oratio pro patria. La prodigiosa memoria dimostrata durante gli studi gli procura una grande fama, al punto che è invitato a dar prova delle proprie abilità mnemoniche in numerose città, fra cui Venezia -- dove incontrò Cassandra Fedele --, Brescia, Piacenza e Ferrara. Insegna inoltre diritto a Pavia, Bologna e Pistoia, dove rimane, ottenendo anche la cittadinanza. Rientra quindi a Padova per ricoprire la cattedra di diritto canonico, con uno stipendio iniziale di 80 ducati, portato a 150 e aumentato di altri 50 ducati in ragione dei suoi numerosi figli -- non se ne conosce il numero esatto -- avuti da due mogli -- è noto solo il nome della seconda, Lucrezia Azzoni. In questi anni si fregia del titolo di eques auratus e pubblicò una silloge di Carmina -- Padova, M. Cerdonis -- e il fortunatissimo manuale di mnemotecnica Phoenix -- Venezia, B. de Choris --, uno dei primi testi a ottenere il privilegio dell’esclusiva di stampa, più volte ripubblicato. È scelto dal duca di Pomerania Boghislao X per insegnare diritto civile e canonico presso Greifswald. Dopo aver fatto visita all’imperatore Massimiliano I a Innsbruck, giunse con la famiglia a Greifswald, dove rimase, ricoprendo anche il ruolo di rettore dell’Università. In Germania soggiorna ad Amburgo e Lubecca -- dove fu stampato il trattato Repetitio C inter alia de emunitate ecclesiae --, caratteristica universale, lingua universale, lingua filosofica, il Deutero-Esperanto di Grice. G.: Well, let us have the thing in front of us. Tomai does not go to Venice to say, “The flowers bloom in Ravenna splendidly.” He goes to do something much more serious and much more useful, namely, to place Ravenna intelligibly inside the political poetry of Venice. S.: Political poetry. That sounds like a way of making subjection sound decorative. G.: Quite. And the genre is built for exactly that. Start where the passage starts. He praises the doge personally: justice, fortitude, temperance, cursus honorum, noble family. That is the opening machinery of access. Before one may say anything public, one must show that one knows how to praise privately. S.: Or publicly in the form of the private virtues. I take it this is not idle embroidery. G.: Not idle at all. A man freshly doctored in utroque iure at Padua, or thereabouts, does not suddenly abandon law for lilies. He puts on his Sunday best, as you say, and turns juridical formation into civic address. The legal mind and the oratorical mind are not rivals here. They are two costumes for the same ambition. S.: So the jurist goes from statutes to compliments. G.: Not compliments. Legitimation. Listen to the Latin. Quae, sicut vera religione, iustitia, quiete, libertate, optimis artibus, sanctissimis institutis facile Italiae caput est, ita virtute, fortuna, potentia, rebus gestis terra marique late dominatur. S.: I translate, since I never know whether you yourself understand what you yourself are saying. “Which city of the Venetians, just as by true religion, justice, peace, liberty, the finest arts, and most holy institutions it is easily the head of Italy, so by virtue, fortune, power, and deeds done it rules widely by land and sea.” G.: Very good. And there, at once, you have the myth of Venice in compact form. Not merely strong, but rightful. Not merely rich, but normatively superior. Religion, justice, peace, liberty, arts, institutions: these are not decorative predicates. They are credentials. S.: So Venice is not just winning. It deserves to win. G.: Exactly. Tomai is not reporting a fact. He is obliging with a picture. He is saying, in effect, if you are to understand Venetian dominion correctly, you must understand it as the outward sign of inward civic excellence. S.: Protreptic, then. G.: Yes. There is a protreptic element here. He is not merely stating that p, as though p were a neutral item on a list. He is inviting the hearer to inhabit p. To accept, almost to re-perform, the proposition that Venetian rule is justified because Venetian civic order is exemplary. S.: So the utterance is less constative than pedagogic. G.: Pedagogic and political. The doge is being congratulated, certainly, but the deeper addressee is anyone in the room who needs to hear empire redescribed as benevolence. S.: Which is where Ravenna comes in. G.: Eventually. But note how long Tomai waits. He does not begin with Ravenna. That is very important. The title pro patria may mislead one into expecting a Ravennate manifesto. What we actually get is doge first, Venice second, Ravenna last. S.: Which is tact. G.: Which is hierarchy. He knows where he is. Ravenna is peripheral. Venice is central. Padua is intermediate. Tomai himself has come from Padua, academically speaking, but he speaks now as a son of Ravenna in the court of Venice. It is a perfect triangulation: provincial patria, university formation, imperial centre. S.: Continue with the Latin. G.: Et incredibile dictu est, Princeps foelicissime, quanta de tua hac praestanti civitate, quae tanquam regina caeteras claras urbes superat et excellit, et de vobis apud omnes exteras nationes opinio sit, quanta observantia, quantum nomen. S.: “And it is incredible to say, most fortunate Prince, how great is the opinion among all foreign nations concerning this your distinguished city, which like a queen surpasses and excels the other famous cities; how great the reverence, how great the name.” G.: Very good again. And note the accumulation. Quanta opinio, quanta observantia, quantum nomen. The city is not merely powerful. It is legible abroad. It has fama. It is recognised. Political order here depends upon reputation as much as upon force. S.: You mean that for Tomai civic greatness is partly a matter of what foreigners already think. G.: Yes. Recognition is a political fact. Venice becomes queenly because others regard it so. The speech is doing that work even as it reports it. It says: everyone already knows this, therefore you must know it too. S.: One hears Austin muttering that the utterance is not merely describing prestige but conferring it afresh. G.: Precisely. And then comes, to my mind, the philosophically best bit. Noverunt enim bonam civitatem non moenibus neque parietibus, sed his teneri et conservari civibus, qui unum in locum, uno consilio, una mente, una voluntate congregati, hisdem moribus, hisdem institutis, hisdem inter se legibus uterentur. S.: “For they know that a good city is held and preserved not by walls or ramparts, but by those citizens who, gathered into one place, with one counsel, one mind, one will, use the same customs, the same institutions, the same laws among themselves.” G.: There you are. That is not mere flattery. That is a miniature political philosophy. S.: A rather strong one, too. Not walls but citizens. Not coercion but concord. G.: And not merely concord in the sentimental sense. Una mente, una voluntate, hisdem moribus, hisdem institutis, hisdem legibus. Shared mind, shared will, shared customs, shared institutions, shared laws. It is a theory of civic cohesion by normative homogeneity. S.: Which sounds almost alarmingly total. G.: Renaissance civic ideology often does. But the important thing is that Tomai, having read tomes of civil and canon law, is not leaving law behind here. He is transposing it. Law reappears not as technical casuistry but as one of the binding media of the good city. S.: So the doctor in utroque iure is still very much present. G.: Entirely present. A doctor of both laws has been trained to think in terms of order, authority, jurisdiction, and normativity. In this oration those habits of mind are recast rhetorically. The city is good because its members share leges and instituta. That is the jurist speaking through the orator. S.: Though dressed up, as you say, for the Ducal Palace. G.: Naturally. The venue requires silk over skeleton. But the skeleton is juridico-political. S.: And then the divine coda. G.: Yes. Noveruntque pace et concordia nihil melius, nihil utilius, nihil divinius ab immortali Deo hominibus datum esse. S.: “And they know that nothing better, nothing more useful, nothing more divine has been given by the immortal God to human beings than peace and concord.” G.: Exactly. The sequence is important. Peace and concord are first useful, then divine. Utility and sanctity converge. This is the sort of sentence by which empire is moralised. S.: Or sanctified. G.: Indeed. If peace and concord are divine gifts, and Venice is the polity of peace, concord, law, and institutions, then Venetian rule begins to look less like domination and more like providential custody. S.: Which is why the Ottoman context matters. G.: Yes. The serenity of the Serenissima is not an idle self-description. It is a geopolitical claim under pressure. If the Ottomans are the external threat, then internal concord and maritime dominion become morally charged. Venice does not merely possess empire; it protects Christendom, order, commerce, civilisation, what you will. S.: So even a very little oration may carry a very large burden. G.: Quite so. And Ravenna, having rather little to offer materially, offers symbolic loyalty. That is why the speech is small. A minor city does not stride into Venice with a ten-book treatise. It arrives with two leaves of polished deference. S.: With one careful sentence about itself. G.: Exactly. When Ravenna appears as “most loyal and obedient daughter, servant and ward,” that is the provincial self placed consciously beneath the imperial parent. It is almost familial, except that the family is an empire. S.: Daughter, servant, ward. The sequence is rather humiliating. G.: It is, unless one hears the compensating phrase, that Ravenna was not conquered in war but joined of its own free will. There the humiliation is re-coded as voluntary alignment. S.: So subjection is rewritten as consent. G.: Precisely. That is one of the major functions of the speech. It says, in effect, Ravenna’s dignity consists in having recognised Venice’s superior civic order and attached itself willingly to it. S.: Which is the point at which Grice might become interested. G.: Very much so. Because the explicit content is praise, but the implicated content is allegiance, legitimation, and self-positioning. Tomai says one thing and does several others. He praises the doge, flatters Venice, advertises Ravenna’s loyalty, and, by speaking well, advertises himself. S.: A splendidly layered speech-act, then. G.: Yes. And one must not vulgarise the matter by imagining that he expects the doge to say, “Young man, here is a pension for life.” Perlocution is subtler. The oration aims to have effects on the political atmosphere, on perceptions of Ravenna, on Tomai’s visibility as a cultivated jurist-humanist. S.: So no private practice in the modern sense. G.: No. He is not hanging out a shingle. He is entering a circuit of patronage, office, reputation, and learned service. The university at Padua, the patria Ravenna, the print world of Venice: all three are active here. S.: I still find the transition from utroque iure to this elevated civic unison slightly comic. G.: Only because you imagine law as arid and rhetoric as ornamental. In the fifteenth century they are near neighbours. Civil law and canon law train one in authority, order, jurisdiction, institution, precedent. Rhetoric trains one in making those things socially and politically persuasive. S.: So the same man who studies decretals may tell the doge that the city rests not on walls but on citizens of one mind and one will. G.: Just so. The proposition is not obtuse at all. It is the legal imagination broadened into civic ideology. S.: Then the title pro patria becomes clearer too. G.: Yes. Not “I shall now speak romantically of my beloved Ravenna,” but “I appear from my patria, and on behalf of its civic identity, within a larger ceremonial economy.” The patria is not the content so much as the speaking position. S.: A Ravennate voice in a Venetian ritual. G.: Exactly. And a very disciplined one. He gives Ravenna only the amount of space proper to its place in the order. To do otherwise would have been grotesque. S.: One sees now why the thing is short. Ravenna does not come to instruct Venice. It comes to acknowledge. G.: And in acknowledging, it seeks acknowledgment. That reciprocity is the true point of the oration. S.: So if I were to compress the lesson, I might say: Tomai’s little text is a juridically trained exercise in civic-imperial rhetoric, in which Venice is praised as the paradigmatic polity of religion, justice, liberty, law, concord, and maritime dominion, while Ravenna is inserted as the willing and loyal periphery whose own honour lies in having joined such a centre. G.: Admirably put. S.: And Grice, were he in a dry mood, would say that Tomai is not merely saying that Venice is good, but making it conversationally mandatory to treat Venice as good. G.: Yes. The oration creates the conditions under which dissent would sound not merely false but uncivil. S.: Which is perhaps the final triumph of the genre. G.: Quite. And that is why one should not laugh too quickly at the little doctor from Ravenna polishing his Latin before the doge. He knows exactly what game he is playing. S.: While perhaps pretending not to. G.: Naturally. The best players always do.Grice: Caro Tomai, tra Ravenna e Oxford direi che l’implicatura fa più strada dei ducati. Tomai: Maestro Grice, forse, ma la mia memoria ne conta più di quanti il tuo System G sappia cancellare. Grice: Allora facciamo così: io implico e tu ricordi, e il Deutero-Esperanto nasce da solo. Tomai: Perfetto, purché qualcuno poi ricordi chi dei due ha avuto l’idea per primo. Tomai, Pietro Francesco (1472). Dissertatio in utroque iure. Padova.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tomitano – Ossia: Grice e Tomitano: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dei precetti della conversazione civile. Note sulla Introductio ad Sophisticos elenchos Aristotelis. Eiusdem breuis methodus diluendorum paralogismorum per diuisionem: praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit in Elenchis. Quam methodum ex dialogis Platonis et ex Aristotele nuper inuenit. Adiecta sunt famigerata veterum sophismatum exempla: ad exercitationem adolescentum. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Bernardino Tomitano (Padova, Veneto): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dei precetti della conversazione civile – A comparison between H. P. Grice and Bernardino Tomitano shows a deep structural affinity between Grice’s theory of reason‑governed conversational meaning and the Renaissance humanist tradition of civil conversation articulated through precepts. Tomitano’s precetti della conversazione civile treat conversation as a rational practice regulated by norms that advise speakers to contribute what is fitting, proportionate, and appropriate to the shared aim and stage of the exchange; the precept functions less as an external command than as an internalized orientation toward civility, mutual recognition, and social order. Grice’s Cooperative Principle and maxims perform an analogous role at a more abstract level: they are not prescriptive rules enforced from outside, but rational expectations that conversational agents tacitly rely on to make sense of one another’s utterances, and it is precisely by assuming adherence to such precepts that implicature becomes possible. Where Tomitano frames conversational rationality within the ethical and stylistic ideals of civic humanism, concerned with decorum, timing, and mutual respect, Grice translates this insight into a philosophical account of how meaning is pragmatically inferred rather than merely encoded. In both cases, conversational reason is inseparable from normativity: to speak intelligibly is already to acknowledge others, purposes, and shared orientations, and the success of conversation depends not on rigid obedience, but on a cultivated responsiveness that allows both civility and meaning to emerge. Grice italo -- i precetti della conversazione – praeceptum. – vide praecipio. : to give rules, or precepts, to avise, admonis, warn, inform, instruct, tech, to enjoin, direct, bird, order, etc. Il tuo contributo alla conversazione sia tale quale e richiesto, allo stdio in cui avviene, dallo scopo o orientamnto accettato dello scambio linguistio in cui sei impegnato. Tale principio ha la forma di un precetto o di una regola. Filosofo italiano. Padova, Veneto. Nacque  a Padova, dove trascorre tutta la vita, figlio forse primogenito di Donato.  La sua è un’illustre famiglia originaria di Feltre, che annove tra gl’antenati il beato Bernardino da Feltre, zio per parte paterna dello stesso Donato. In seguito all’assalto di Feltre compiuto dall’esercito dell’imperatore Massimiliano in guerra con Venezia, questo ramo della famiglia si è definitivamente trasferito a Padova, dove Donato ha i natali e vi esercita il commercio con buon successo; rimasto ben presto vedovo della prima moglie Onesta Capodilista, dalla seconda, la cui identità non è nota, ha quattro figli: oltre a Bernardino, Ludovico -- addottoratosi in artibus --, Francesco e Cecilia, andata in sposa a Bartolomeo Sforza. Dopo aver ricevuto in famiglia la prima istruzione, T. è avviato dal padre agli studi di filosofia presso lo studio patavino. Qui ha come maestri ZIMARA , PASSERI , Frigimelica e Carensio (il Tosetto). Come compagno alle lezioni e poi come collega e amico ha Vesalio. Alla sua formazione contribuirono altresì grandi figure di umanisti attivi allora a Padova, quali i veronesi Fracastoro, da lui assiduamente frequentato e, in anni più tardi, lo stimatissimo Monte. Fuori dallo studio, la frequentazione di Bembo e della sua cerchia e l’amicizia con letterati e dotti animatori della cultura cittadina, primo fra tutti Speroni, con il quale rimane sempre in rapporto di grande familiarità, gli permisero di coltivare l’interesse per le lettere. i precetti della conversazione civile. G: 1939, S. You are looking at that title page as if it has insulted you. S: It has, sir. It says Introductio, and then it proceeds to look proud of itself. G: Introductio is always proud of itself. It means it expects to be read first. S: And it expects me to be an adolescens. G: You are, in tutorial terms, permanently an adolescens. S: Thank you, sir. I’ll put it on my epitaph. G: Recite the Latin, and try not to make it sound like a threat. S: Bernardini Tomitani artium doctoris Introductio ad Sophisticos elenchos Aristotelis. G: Good. Now what is an elenchos. S: Sir, I thought you’d start with the obvious: why the plural. G: I will, but you may not hide behind grammar. First: elenchos. S: Refutation, sir. Cross-examination. The thing Socrates does when he pretends to be ignorant and then ruins a man’s afternoon. G: And Aristotle does it without pretending. S: And with chapters. G: Exactly. Now sophisticos. What does that add? S: It says the refutations are about sophists. Or about sophistical tricks. Or about the refutations that sophists require. G: All three are compatible, and Tomitano is trading on that. Sophisticos signals that we are not discussing honest errors only, but errors with a career. S: Errors that pay rent. G: Errors that recruit pupils. Now, why elenchos plural? S: Because Aristotle’s text is called Sophistici Elenchi, plural. It’s the name of the treatise. G: And why would Aristotle title it in the plural? S: Because there are many ways to refute and many ways to be refuted, sir. G: And because the “refutation” is both a procedure and a family of cases. In logic the plural often signals: do not expect one neat pattern. Now continue. S: Eiusdem brevis methodus diluendorum paralogismorum per divisionem: praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit in Elenchis. G: Stop. Clean it in your mouth: brevis methodus. S: Thank God, brevis. G: You should be less grateful. Brevis in Latin often means: I have omitted what you most need. S: Diluendorum paralogismorum. G: Now that is a phrase worth living with. Diluere. S: To dissolve, sir. To thin out. Like washing ink until the forgery disappears. G: Good. Not merely “refute,” but “dissolve.” It implies the paralogism has a kind of apparent solidity that must be loosened. S: Paralogismus, sir. That’s just a fallacy, isn’t it? G: Not quite “just.” Paralogism is the kind of fallacy that can look like an argument. It is a wrong logos that imitates logos. Sophism is often taken as a deliberate deception; paralogism can be honest or dishonest, but either way it is reasoning gone sideways. S: Yet Tomitano uses the plural again. Paralogismorum. G: Because there are many ways to go wrong. Now, per divisionem. S: By division, sir. As if the cure for bad inference is to slice it into parts and see what falls out. G: Exactly. You divide the ambiguous, you separate the conflated, you distinguish the senses. Division is the Renaissance humanist’s favourite scalpel. S: Praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit in Elenchis. G: He says: besides those things Aristotle already had in the Elenchi. Meaning: I add something. S: Or: I pretend to add something. G: In 1544, you must pretend with confidence. Now continue. S: Quam methodum ex dialogis Platonis et ex Aristotele nuper invenit. G: That line is deliciously cheeky. S: Nuper invenit. Recently discovered, sir. As if Plato has been lying around unconsulted. G: Or as if Tomitano has only just noticed Plato is useful to an Aristotelian project. S: Ex dialogis Platonis. So he throws dialogue into a treatise on refutation. G: Precisely. He is saying: the method is not merely in Aristotle’s technical list. It is in Plato’s dramatic practice of exposing confusions. S: So Tomitano wants to teach sophistical refutation by combining Aristotle’s taxonomy with Plato’s theatre. G: That is the civilising move. Aristotle supplies the species; Plato supplies the phenomenology. S: And then he boasts: and also from Aristotle. G: Because you cannot sell a logic manual in Venice by sounding too Platonic. S: Next line? G: Go on. S: Adiecta sunt famigerata veterum sophismatum exempla: ad exercitationem adolescentum. G: Famigerata. S: “Infamous,” sir. With a whiff of scandal. The sophisms have reputations. G: Exactly. They are so well-known they have become teaching tools. S: Veterum. G: Old. Ancient. Classical. But also: time-tested ways to embarrass students. S: Sophismatum, plural again. G: Of course. One sophism would be a curiosity; plural sophisms is a curriculum. S: Exempla. G: Examples are the true currency of instruction. A “method” without exempla is a sermon. S: And then: ad exercitationem adolescentum. G: Now tell me what that means without translating it. S: It declares the audience. It says: this is practice work, sir. Drill. Training. Not metaphysics, not wisdom, but gymnasium for the mind. G: Yes. And it tells you the genre: intro plus method plus examples equals a textbook. S: Sir, can I ask the obvious question? G: You will. Name at least two paralogisms. S: Two paralogisms. Equivocation, and amphiboly. G: Good. Equivocation is one word, two senses, and you pretend it stayed one. Amphiboly is one syntax, two structures, and you pretend it stayed one. S: And you said to name at least two. I did. G: Now, name two sophisms. S: Two sophisms. “Have you stopped beating your father?” and “What you have not lost you have; you have not lost horns; therefore you have horns.” G: Excellent. Both famous, both old, both designed for adolescent humiliation. S: So these are veterum. G: Yes. Now name one new. S: One new sophism? G: One new sophism. Something Tomitano might have seen in Padua, or Venice, or among professors who loved to win. S: “All professors are men; you are a man; therefore you are a professor.” G: That is not a sophism, that is flattery. S: It is a paralogism, sir. G: It is a paralogism with social ambition. Very well, keep it. Another. S: “If you can refute sophists, you are not a sophist; you can refute sophists; therefore you are not a sophist.” G: That is closer. It plays on a hidden premise: that only non-sophists refute sophists. In practice, sophists refute each other for a living. S: Then the new sophism is: professional jealousy. G: Quite. Now, you asked earlier why elenchi plural. Now tell me why sophisticos is plural in sense even if singular in grammar. S: Because it covers many kinds of sophistical refutation. Not one species. G: And because Aristotle’s project is not “the” sophist but the field of deceptive argument. S: Then why paralogismorum plural? Because error is plentiful. G: More plentiful than truth, according to the philosopher you were just quoting by accident. S: Aristotle? G: Yes. But Tomitano’s line about vices being innumerable is from another context, but the thought fits: error has many modes; a method must be flexible. S: So division is the tool because it reduces multiplicity by separating cases. G: Exactly. Division is not only a logical technique; it is a pedagogical one. It teaches the student to ask: which sense are we in. S: Sir, can we do the elenchos thing properly. What does Aristotle mean by “elenchos” in the technical sense? G: In the strict sense, elenchos is a refutation that forces a contradiction from an opponent’s own commitments, under agreed rules of inference and relevance to the question at issue. S: So an elenchos is not just any counterexample. G: No. It is a form of defeat by self-entanglement. S: So the sophist tries to produce apparent entanglement where there is none. G: Or tries to make you accept a commitment you did not see you accepted. S: Which is why examples are “famigerata.” They have trapped generations. G: And why they are useful. A textbook is a controlled trap. S: That is not reassuring. G: It is education. Now, two more: why does Tomitano say “praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit”? S: To mark novelty, sir. To say: I am not merely copying. G: And to excuse his own additions as respectful supplementation rather than rivalry. S: And nuper invenit is the same posture: I have discovered, not invented. G: Exactly. Renaissance modesty is often invention wearing a mask. S: The Plato bit still bothers me. G: It should. It is the interesting part. He is saying: Plato’s dialogues contain methods of dissolving paralogisms by division. Socrates does it by forcing distinctions: in words like “just,” “good,” “courage,” “knowledge.” S: So he wants to teach sophistic refutations not only as formal patterns, but as conceptual hygiene. G: Yes. And that is why an Introductio can be philosophical even when it is technical. It is training in how to keep language from lying on your behalf. S: Sir, you sound as if you approve. G: I approve of any author who tells the adolescent what the adult still needs: do not be fooled by form. S: And yet he calls it brevis. G: Because the adolescent must be kept hopeful. Now, let us do the number game you like. “How many elenchi are there.” S: How many elenchi, sir. In Aristotle’s treatise? G: If you mean how many kinds of fallacy he catalogues, he distinguishes fallacies in dictione and extra dictionem, and then breaks them down. S: So the plural is justified: it is a catalogue, not a single trick. G: Exactly. Now name two in dictione. S: Equivocation and amphiboly. G: Good. Now name two extra dictionem. S: Accident and secundum quid. G: Very good. That is adolescent drill. Now, why ad exercitationem adolescentum is a warning. S: Because it implies: you will be exercised. Which means: you will be made tired and then made better. G: Or made tired and then told you are better. Now, you made a joke earlier about your epitaph. Here is the real joke. Tomitano wrote this for adolescents, and you are reading it in 1939, and we are still adolescents. S: In logic, yes. G: In life, also. S: Sir, can I ask about “diluere.” Why not “solvere” or “refellere.” G: Because refellere is combative. Diluere suggests the error is a thickening that can be thinned, a confusion that can be loosened. S: So it’s more like therapy than war. G: Exactly. The sophist wants you to fight; the logician wants you to clarify. S: Yet Aristotle is fairly warlike. G: Aristotle is warlike in taxonomy. Plato is warlike in drama. Tomitano wants both: the list and the scene. S: Then his title page itself is doing the lesson. It uses big plural nouns to warn you: there are many traps. G: And it uses brevis to prevent you from fleeing. S: Sir, last question. If you had to invent one new sophism for 1939, what would it be. G: Easy. “Everything that can be printed must be true; this is printed; therefore it is true.” S: That is not new, sir. G: It is merely newly weaponised.Grice: Caro Tomitano, lasciami confidarti una cosa: se mai avessi provato a tenere un tutorial sui “precetti della conversazione civile” nella mia università di Vadum Boum, non sarebbe venuto nessuno! I miei studenti sono convinti che “barbaro” sia un complimento, e le buone maniere le lasciano agli archeologi... Altro che la cara, antica Alma Mater della nostra tradizione, vero? Tomitano: Ah Grice, non sai quanto ti capisco! Qui a Padova se provi a parlare di precetti, ti guardano come se avessi proposto una dieta senza risotto. Ma per me il “precetto” è un po’ come il semaforo della conversazione: se non ci fosse, tutti andrebbero in senso contrario e ci ritroveremmo a filosofare sulle rovine... e magari senza nemmeno un buon caffè! Grice: Splendida immagine! Quindi il precetto non è solo ordine, ma anche eleganza: come dire, in conversazione ci vuole almeno un po’ di stile, se no si finisce per parlare tutti insieme come in una fiera di paese. O da me, in aula, dove l’unico “precetto” che rispettano è quello dell’ora di pranzo. Tomitano: Sante parole, Grice! Il precetto, in fondo, è quell’invito gentile – non troppo severo, eh! – che permette alla civiltà di non naufragare nella confusione. È come dire: “Parla pure, ma ricordati che non sei solo al mondo!” Così, persino il più barbaro degli studenti può imparare che una buona conversazione vale più di mille esami... e magari si guadagna pure una stretta di mano! Tomitano, Bernardino (1544). Introductio ad Sophisticos elenchos Aristotelis. Eiusdem breuis methodus diluendorum paralogismorum per diuisionem: praeter illa quae Aristoteles habuit in Elenchis. Quam methodum ex dialogis Platonis et ex Aristotele nuper inuenit. Adiecta sunt famigerata veterum sophismatum exempla: ad exercitationem adolescentum. Venezia: per Bartholomeum cognomento Imperatorem, et Franciscum eius generum.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Toritto – Ossia: Grice e Toritto: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale contro il lizio. Note su Introduzione alla lettura di Caloprese sopra la concione di Marfisa a Carlo Magno. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Nicola Caravita dei duchi di Toritto (Napoli, Campania): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale contro il lizio – A comparison between H. P. Grice and Nicola Caravita dei duchi di Toritto highlights two allied but culturally distinct modes of resisting rigid rational sequencing in favor of a more humane, reason‑governed conversational order. Grice’s theory of conversational meaning rejects linear inferential “lizio” understood as strict Aristotelian procession from premises to conclusion, replacing it with a rational but flexible model in which meaning emerges through implicature, responsiveness, and shared assumptions among interlocutors. Caravita, formed in the Neapolitan milieu of anti‑baroque clarity and early modern political philosophy, advances a parallel resistance within legal, political, and literary thought: against scholastic Aristotelianism and Thomist hierarchy, he favors a conception of sovereignty, law, and constitution as analogical and context‑sensitive rather than deductively ordered. Where Grice frames conversational rationality as cooperative intelligence that tolerates wit, deviation, and pragmatic play while remaining accountable to reason, Caravita embodies a Southern Italian skepticism toward doctrinal lizio, preferring a conversational reason that moves obliquely through rhetoric, judgment, and civic sensibility. Both figures thus converge on a shared insight: rationality is not compromised by conversational looseness or humor, but is instead realized more fully when reason governs without marching in lockstep. For Grice this yields implicature as a calculable yet non‑mechanical phenomenon; for Caravita it yields a philosophy of law, politics, and criticism that privileges living discourse over syllogistic rigidity, making reason conversational rather than procedural. Grice italico Lizio. Costituzione come concetto analogo Joachim. Soveranita. Filosofo napoletano. Filosofo campanese. Filosofo italiano. Napoli, Campania. Grice: I like Caravita; Locke  Englands, and Oxfords, greatest philosopher, had his sponsor, and so does Italys  not Bolognas  Vico, and he was Caravita!. Nacque nella parrocchia dei Vergini da Giuseppe e da Margherita Boiano. La famiglia, originaria della Spagna, apparteneva alla nobilt. Seguendo le tradizioni giuridiche della famiglia, T. simmatricol in Napoli, laureandosi in giurisprudenza con dispensa dall'et legale, e attese all'attivit forense. Studia anche letteratura, greco, matematica, filosofia, specialmente CARTESIO  cf. Grice, Descartes on clear and distinct perception. Cornelio ne loda la dottrina in un dialogo inedito, ma, anche per dichiarazione di un altro contemporaneo che gli dedica un sonetto, Giannelli, non aveva raggiunto alcuna magistratura pubblica -- cfr. Giannelli, Poesie, Napoli. Seguace nelle lettere dell'indirizzo anti-barocchista e neo-petrarchista T. scrive l'introduzione alla Lettura sopra la concione di Marfisa a Carlo Magno di Calopreso -- Napoli --, opera tra le maggiori di critica letteraria napoletana e fonte per le dottrine estetiche del VICO . Nello stesso anno, in occasione di un'epidemia di peste,  uno dei due giudici speciali eletti dalla deputazione della Salute, con competenza in materia civile in tutto quello che occorrer concernente all'affare del contaggio. Per incarico ricevuto dalla "piazza" di Porto, espresse con altri tre giuristi, tra i quali Fusco e il cronista Confuorto, un parere su una richiesta di reintegrazione in quel "seggio".  tra i promotori della rappresentazione a Posillipo de La rosa di Giulio Cesare Cortese. impiegatura da salotto, diritto, anti-popism  il laico --, anti-aristotele, contro Aristotele, concetto assolutista di sovereignty contro Aquino, quartiere dei Vergini  Capua.  Grice: Caro Toritto, devo confessare che tra i filosofi di Oxford il “lizio” aristotelico è sempre stato un argomento da salotto, persino più discusso del vino dei Castelli! Dimmi, tu che sei noto per la tua vena napoletana, come mai ti sei messo di traverso contro il “lizio”? Voglio sapere se è questione di principio filosofico… o magari solo di gusto!  Toritto: Ah, Grice! Qui a Napoli il “lizio” non lo digeriamo nemmeno col limoncello. Diciamo che Aristotele amava mettere tutto in fila, come se la ragione fosse una processione, ma a noi piace più il Carnevale! Opporsi al “lizio” è quasi una tradizione: preferiamo la conversazione che balla e cambia passo, non quella che marcia in fila indiana.  Grice: Che meraviglia, Toritto! Quindi da voi non è “lizio”, ma “lizzio”, e magari pure “ulizio”, se la festa si scalda. Allora la ragione conversazionale napoletana si ribella alla disciplina aristotelica? Ditemi la verità: avete mai provato a mettere in fila le idee, o finiscono sempre a fare una tarantella?  Toritto: Grice, qui le idee si mettono in fila solo per un caffè al bar, e anche lì qualcuno scavalca! Se la ragione dev’essere “lizia”, allora preferiamo la ragione “campagnese”: libera, vivace, pronta a cambiare abito come diceva Tocco. Aristotele sarà stato un gran maestro, ma noi siamo maestri nell’arte di non prendere tutto troppo sul serio. A Napoli, la filosofia è sempre pronta a ridere… persino del “lizio”! Toritto, Nicola Caravita dei duchi di (1691). Introduzione alla lettura di Caloprese sopra la concione di Marfisa a Carlo Magno. Napoli.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Torlonia – Ossia: Grice e Torlonia: la ragione conversazionale, e l’implicatura conversazionale del natale di Roma. Note sulle Memorie economiche. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Giovanni Raimondo Torlonia (Roma, Lazio): la ragione conversazionale, e l’implicatura conversazionale del natale di Roma – A comparison between H. P. Grice and Giovanni Raimondo Torlonia brings into focus two distinct but convergent ways of understanding reason‑governed conversational meaning through social practice and shared celebration. Grice’s theory treats conversational reason as a rational discipline exercised by speakers who rely on mutual recognition, background knowledge, and implicature to convey more than is explicitly said, often using occasions that are culturally charged to invite shared understanding without heavy assertion. The playful exchange on the Natale di Roma exemplifies this: the significance of Rome is not stated as a thesis, but implicatively sustained through allusion, irony, and companionship, allowing meaning to emerge via common cultural premises rather than formal argument. Torlonia, grounded in Roman civic memory and economic as well as philosophical life, embodies a conversational rationality that is festive, historical, and communal: conversation becomes the medium through which identity, friendship, and continuity are reaffirmed, with reason expressed not as abstraction but as cultivated sociability. Where Grice offers a general account of implicature as calculable by cooperative principles, Torlonia exemplifies a historically situated conversational practice in which shared rituals, such as celebrating Rome’s birthday, do much of the rational work. What unites them is the idea that reason in conversation is not austere but relational, flourishing in friendship, cultural memory, and the tacit understanding that binds speaker and hearer into an amicable sequence of meaning, amicus, philos, alter ego. -- filosofia italiana – Grice italo (Roma). Abstract. Keywords. logically developing series amicus, philos, alter ego. Joachim. Filosofo italiano. Roma. Nacque figlio del francese Marin TOURLONIAS Tourlonias e di Maria Francesca Angela Lanci. Dei numerosi altri figli della coppia si hanno notizie, perché sopravvissero, solo di Giuseppe e delle sorelle Francesca e Teresa.  Il padre, discendente da una modesta famiglia dell’Auvergne (Francia), arriva a Roma a metà al seguito dell’abate e diplomatico Montgon; è poi divenuto cameriere particolare del cardinale Acquaviva. Marin -- il cui nome è stato ITALIANIZZATO italianizzato in Marino T. -- avvia un fiorente commercio di tessuti pregiati. Negli anni successivi, forse grazie a un lascito ricevuto dal cardinale, vi affianca la concessione di prestiti, secondo il percorso di numerosi mercanti-banchieri. T.  riusce a imprimere un deciso salto alla dimensione e all’organizzazione dell’attività creditizia familiare: cede l’esercizio commerciale ed è ammesso al corpo dei banchieri di Roma. Ottenne così il riconoscimento ufficiale della sua attività di banchiere, formalmente avviata con un capitale di 10.000 scudi. Sin dai primi tempi le operazioni hanno un rapido sviluppo, e si intrecciarono a iniziative imprenditoriali, tanto che in soli due anni il capitale della ditta Marino T. si quadruplica. T. mantenne quella ragione sociale per alcuni anni dopo la morte del padre, forse con l’obiettivo di rappresentare la marginale partecipazione del fratello minore Giuseppe, al quale vennero garantite delle co-interessenze sui profitti.  T. costituì, con Giorgi e Lavaggi, una società che ottenne dal governo pontificio l’appalto per lo sfruttamento delle cave di allume sui monti della Tolfa. La produzione era, in quegli anni, ancora altamente remunerativa: l’allume pontificio veniva considerato di ottima qualità ed era destinato prevalentemente all’esportazione verso manifatture tessili e conciarie. il natale di Roma, la filosofia dell’amore di Platone in Fichte e Leopardi.  Grice: Caro Torlonia, sai che persino tra le brume di Vadum Boum – quella strana Oxford dove i buoi passano e la lingua si arrovella – oggi si festeggia il natale di Roma? Incredibile, ma vero: anche lontano dall’ALMA MATER, la grande madre, si brinda alla città eterna... anche se il vino non è proprio dei Castelli! Torlonia: Ma che meraviglia! A questo punto, Grice, Roma dovrebbe inviare una cartolina d’auguri persino agli studenti inglesi. Chissà se, tra una toga e una pinta, si recita pure “Ave Roma!” sul Tamigi. D’altronde, come diceva mia nonna: “Roma caput mundi, pure se il mondo è in vacanza altrove!” Grice: In effetti, caro mio, tra le logiche implicature di Vadum Boum, il compleanno di Roma diventa l’occasione perfetta per filosofare su Platone, Fichte e pure Leopardi... ma soprattutto per scoprire che l’amicizia – come diceva Platone – è un “alter ego”. E se manca il vino, basta una buona battuta! Torlonia: Grice, ti dirò: qui a Roma festeggiamo con una cena da banchieri, mentre voi in Oxford filosofate sulle implicature e magari sul “amicus, philos, alter ego”. Alla fine, che sia tra le cave di allume o tra le “cave” della grammatica, basta divertirsi – e ricordarsi che la ragione conversazionale è sempre più allegra quando si brinda insieme, anche se in lingue diverse! Torlonia, Giovanni Raimondo (1805). Memorie economiche, Roma: Pagliarini.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Torre – Ossia: Grice e Torre: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della stravaganza. Note su De origine et progressu philosophiae. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Giacomo della Torre (Forlì): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della stravaganza – A comparison between Grice and Giacomo della Torre brings out a shared commitment to reason as the regulator of meaning, while highlighting different attitudes toward conceptual adventurousness. Grice’s theory of conversational meaning treats rationality as a discipline exercised within interaction: speakers are presumed to be cooperative and reasonable, and implicature arises when they deliberately allow what is meant to stray beyond what is strictly said, but in a way that remains recoverable by shared reasoning. Della Torre, by contrast, belongs to a late‑medieval tradition in which philosophy openly licenses stravaganza, the willingness to go extra‑vagans, beyond the well‑trodden path, in order to test the limits of Aristotelian natural and moral philosophy. For Torre, teaching at Bologna and reflecting on soul and body, philosophical progress often requires sanctioned deviation, a temporary wandering that nonetheless presupposes a return to rational order. Read together, Torre’s stravaganza and Grice’s implicature illuminate two sides of the same phenomenon: reason does not exclude deviation but governs it. In Grice, conversational estrangement from the literal is controlled by calculability and mutual recognition; in Torre, conceptual wandering is controlled by an inherited Aristotelian framework and scholastic discipline. What unites them is the idea that intelligibility depends neither on rigid literalism nor on free wit alone, but on a reasoned balance between rule and departure, a balance that allows meaning to emerge precisely when language dares to go slightly beyond itself."From Grice’s diary: ‘Speranza has always advised me to keep my eye — actually both of them — on Bononia, as he did when he studied me, with both his eyes stuck with Boum Vadum (as Speranza calls Oxford — an expression that never ceases to amuse him: “You mean that you studied on the ford that the oxen trespass?”). So this Torre (Speranza drops all “della” before surnames) is Bononia-associated, and I had to find out when he was first associated with that prestigious varsity which by far predates our dear Boum Vadum — and I did.’" For Giacomo della Torre (Jacopo da Forlì; also Giacomo dalla Torre; Latinized as Iacobus a Turre / Iacobus Foroliviensis), the cleanest dated Bononia association I can substantiate from online reference sources is that, in the university records/biographical syntheses, he is attested “lettore di filosofia a Bologna” in the years 1383–1385 (Treccani, Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani entry “DELLA TORRE, Giacomo,” explicitly: “Tra il 1383 e il 1385 risulta come lettore di filosofia a Bologna”). A second, more specific formulation (Arca del Santo, biographical note on DELLA TORRE GIACOMO) narrows his Bolognese teaching to 1392–1393 and specifies the chair as philosophy natural and moral (“Tra 1392 e 1393, a Bologna, ricoprì la cattedra di filosofia naturale e morale”), which suggests either (i) two separate Bolognese periods preserved differently across repertories, (ii) a correction/alternative reconstruction, or (iii) conflation with an overlapping appointment cycle; but in any case it confirms official teaching duties at Bologna with explicit dates. If your project wants a single “first official association” date, the earliest safely citable one is 1383 as lector of philosophy at Bologna (with the span 1383–1385), while you can optionally note the later, chair-specified Bolognese stint 1392–1393 as an additional (and more descriptively precise) Bononia appointment. Sources used: Treccani (DBI) “DELLA TORRE, Giacomo”; Arca del Santo “DELLA TORRE GIACOMO” (Universitas Artistarum biography page). scuola di Forlì – la scuola di Bologna -- filosofia romagnese -- stravaganza, lizio. Filosofo emiliano. Filosofo italiano. Forli, Forli-Cesena, Emilia-Romagna. Grice: “I like Torre; his epitaph reads, ‘nuovo Aristotele,’ which is what it was! – “Ackrill’s just reads, ‘Aristotelian’!” There is a nice ‘via’ in Forlì after him that leads to the varsity! He was a Galen, and philosophised on both the soul and the body!” DELLA TORRE, Giacomo -- Iacobus a Turre, de la Turre, Dalla Torre, de Forlivio, Forliviensis, Foroliviensis, Ferolivias. Nacque da Pietro, "artium doctor", di nobile famiglia, e Tisia, figlia di Pietro degl’Azzoli, nobile forlivese. La famiglia paterna, a Forlì da parecchie generazioni, discende da Andrea, padre di Giovanni, nonno di T. Oltre a lui, il padre ha altri due figli, Guido e Andrea. T. compì gli studi di arti a Padova, dove ha come maestri Colonna  e Avogari  -- così afferma Marchesi, ma Colle lo mette in dubbio. I biografi non concordano sul curriculum d'insegnamento, diviso tra Padova, BOLOGNA e altre città. Risulta come lettore di filosofia a BOLOGNA, ma già negli anni precedenti dove iniziare il suo insegnamento a Padova, dove comunque torna su invito dei Carraresi, che per dar lustro allo studio vi chiamarono molti professori di fama. In effetti viene citato come "lector in studio Paduano" ed è promotore dei dottorati di parecchi allievi, tra cui San Severo , Manfredini  e Tommaso da Recanati , per supplire eventuali assenze dei professori. Risulta come docente di arti a Ferrara, insieme con Marco da Forlì, ma, se non si tratta di un omonimo, si potrebbe trattare di presenze saltuarie, dato che in quegli stessi anni è ricordato sia a Padova sia a BOLOGNA.  Nella città veneta la sua presenza è testimoniata da una lite con il collega Squarcialupi e dai dottorati di parecchi allievi, come Albertini, Nogarelli, Pera e Tomasi. Giacomo della Torre. Torre. stravaganza, lizio.  G.: Let us begin, if you please, with the thing itself and not with any elegant paraphrase of it. We have at least two catalogue forms, and they differ just enough to annoy a careful man. S.: Which is to say, to delight you. G.: The longer form first: Quaestio utrum intensio formae fiat per additionem partis formalis ad partem formalem utroque remanente. S.: And the shorter? G.: Queritur utrum intensio forme fiat per additionem partis formalis ad partes formales. S.: So already we have quaestio and queritur; formae and forme; partem formalem and partes formales; and then the splendid tail, utroque remanente, which the shorter one lacks. G.: Precisely. And before you rush to ask for the answer, I want to savour the asking. S.: You always do. Della Torre, meanwhile, is left in Bologna waiting for his own determinatio. G.: Bologna can wait. It predates Boum Vadum by enough centuries to permit itself patience. S.: I still want the answer. G.: We may not have it. S.: You see, that is exactly the sort of thing that makes students wish to defect to medicine. G.: A pity, since in Giacomo della Torre medicine and philosophy are already married. That is half the point. He is a man of arts and medicine, Bologna and Padua, Aristotle and Galen, soul and body, quality and quantity. S.: And stravaganza. G.: Yes, and that too. A fine word, stravaganza. It wanders but not at random. One wanders under rule. S.: Like implicature. G.: Very good. Deviation governed by recoverability. That is why Giacomo matters. Not because he gives us a modern semantics, but because he stands exactly where form, degree, and intelligibility begin to interpenetrate. S.: Still, the title says De intensione et remissione formarum, and the incipit does not say remissione at all. G.: That is the first thing to notice. The title is archival. It tells the librarian what sort of beast is in the cage. The incipit tells the philosopher where the teeth are. S.: So the title says increase and decrease of forms; the incipit says, right, but how exactly does increase happen. G.: Exactly. It does not begin by announcing the pair, intensio and remissio, as if it were drafting a textbook table. It begins with a mechanism: whether the intensification of a form happens by the addition of one formal part to another formal part, both remaining. S.: And that “both remaining” is the little snake in the grass. G.: Not so little. It is the whole metaphysical pressure-point compressed into an ablative absolute. S.: Utroque remanente. I do like it. It sounds so self-assured. As if one merely adds one formal part to another and both politely remain where they are. G.: Yes. It sounds, to a modern ear, almost comic. But one must resist the temptation to modernise too quickly. S.: I am tempted all the same. If I break eggs for an omelette, the eggs do not remain. If I add five to seven, the five and the seven do not remain as such in the twelve. Kant would be furious. G.: Kant would be grammatical before he was furious. His point about seven and five and twelve is epistemological, not quite the same as Giacomo’s point, which is ontological. Still, the analogy is instructive because it tells you why the scholastic model feels odd. We are being asked whether a qualitative increase is additive and preservative. S.: Which already sounds Strawsonian. The question is respectable; the answer may be no; the no may be external or internal. G.: Just so. One may say, It is not the case that intensification occurs by addition of formal part to formal part, both remaining. Or one may say, My dear fellow, that is the wrong way to set the problem up in the first place. S.: The latter is the more satisfying no. G.: Satisfying, yes. But scholasticism does not live by satisfaction. It lives by exactness of pressure. S.: Let us have the Latin phrase by phrase, then. You enjoyed it the first time; indulge yourself again. G.: Quaestio. A question. Not a thesis, not yet an assertion, but a formally opened problem. Utrum. Whether. This already suspends commitment. Intensio formae. The intensification of a form. Not “intensity” in the modern loose sense, but increase in degree of a form. Fiat. Comes about, happens, is effected. Per additionem. Through the addition. Partis formalis. Of a formal part. Ad partem formalem. To a formal part. Utroque remanente. With both remaining. S.: You say that as if it were all perfectly sane. G.: Perfect sanity is not the same as immediate familiarity. The point is that the sentence is not woolly. It is brutally exact. It asks whether becoming more F is to be understood as adding a formal constituent to another formal constituent while both persist. S.: And one hears at once the Gricean temptation to ask what is presupposed. There must already be a common form. There must already be a scale. There must already be a distinction between the subject and its degree. G.: Exactly. The sentence is thick with presuppositions. It presupposes that one and the same form admits of magis and minus. It presupposes that one may talk of pars formalis without absurdity. It presupposes that “remaining” is not a merely material notion. We are not talking about chairs and eggs. S.: Or healthy urine and less healthy urine. G.: Ah yes, your urine. Aristotle would have approved the diagnostic instinct, if not the colour scheme. Health is useful because it is both a quality and a norm. Something may become healthier or less healthy. The question is whether that becoming more healthy is a matter of preserving a lower degree while adding another. S.: And my instinct says no. Yellow urine becomes brown urine. The yellow does not remain there, lurking decorously behind the brown. G.: Good. That instinct is philosophically valuable. But the scholastic will reply that you are still trapped in phenomenology of states rather than ontology of degrees. He is not talking of yellow and brown as two blobs. He is talking of one form becoming more or less intense. S.: Which is precisely where Grice would prick up his ears. The same form, but more so. Or less so. The same F, yet not quite the same state. G.: Wiggins too. Sameness and substance. Persistence through variation. The identity of a subject under qualitative change. Giacomo’s little incipit is a magnificent seed crystal for such concerns. S.: Better than the title. G.: Much better than the title. The title is a shelf-mark. The incipit is philosophy. S.: And yet, annoyingly, the title gives us remissione too, whereas the incipit begins only with intensio. G.: That is because the opening problem is naturally the positive side. Once you know how increase is to be construed, decrease becomes either the reverse operation or the collapse of that operation. One begins with the more constructive case. S.: So remission is the poor cousin. G.: Temporarily. In the title it regains civil equality. In the opening argument it waits its turn. S.: Very Bologna. G.: Entirely. The city of ordered quarrels. S.: Let us go back to the variant forms. Quaestio versus queritur. Does it matter? G.: Slightly. Quaestio is nominal and architectural. Queritur is verbal and disputational. The first presents a structured object. The second already sounds like the schoolman leaning forward: it is asked whether… S.: And formae versus forme? G.: Scribal indifference, not metaphysical divergence. S.: Partem formalem versus partes formales? G.: That is more interesting. Ad partem formalem gives you one formal part added to another formal part. Ad partes formales sounds more distributive or cumulative, as if the target were already plural. I would trust the more balanced singular formulation if forced to choose. S.: Because it is neater. G.: Because it is philosophically more pointed. One formal part to one formal part, both remaining. That gives you the pure metaphysical oddity in its finest compression. S.: And intentio versus intensio? G.: Intensio is the conceptually proper reading. Intentio is almost certainly a cataloguing or manuscript corruption. If this tract is on increase and decrease of forms, intensio must be what is meant. S.: We are already doing philosophy of language. A single letter and the entire topic changes. G.: Yes, and Giacomo would have appreciated that. Bologna is not only a place of metaphysical distinctions; it is a place where textual exactness is a condition of argument. S.: You are making him sound like a better Oxford man than many Oxford men. G.: Why not. Bononia predates Boum Vadum, and not merely in masonry. It had already taught Europe that thought requires chairs, lecterns, and argumentative patience. S.: Della Torre as elder brother to Grice. G.: Not brother. Ancestor of a difficulty. Grice’s categories of conversation, after all, are Kantian in scaffold but Aristotelian in smell. Quantity, quality, relation, manner. And Giacomo stands at a point where quantity and quality refuse to stay in separate stalls. S.: Which is the bit that interests me most. If a quality may be more or less, then quantity has invaded quality. G.: Or quality has admitted comparative grammar into its own house. That is the medieval wonder and nuisance. Intensio et remissio are where quality begins to look measurable. S.: And where morphosyntax begins to wobble. More healthy, less white, rather hot, very hot, healthier than, less healthy than. Comparative predication is already doing metaphysics before we notice. G.: Just so. Grammar is never innocent. Once you allow more and less into a quality term, you invite the question whether the predicate names a scalar property, a disposition, a norm, or some mixture of all three. S.: Which is where the healthy urine comes back with a vengeance. G.: Unfortunately, yes. S.: Suppose one says: the urine is healthier now. One has smuggled in comparison, diagnosis, norm, and bodily state. That is already four little philosophers in one sentence. G.: Exactly. And a medieval physician-philosopher like Giacomo is exquisitely placed to enjoy the confusion. He has Hippocrates, Galen, Avicenna, Aristotle, and the Categories all within reach. S.: And Bologna behind him, nodding. G.: And perhaps Padua glancing over its shoulder. S.: You still have not given me the answer. G.: We do not have his determinatio. S.: I know, but that is intolerable. G.: No, it is philosophy. Or at least a very good part of it. We do not have the answer, but we have the exact formulation of the pressure. That matters more than many fully preserved answers. S.: You mean the question keeps the matter alive. G.: Precisely. A dead philosophy is one that can only repeat its old answers. A living philosophy is one that can still formulate its difficulties in a way that makes later minds wince. S.: So Giacomo stays alive because his incipit still bites. G.: Yes. The incipit is a bite-mark across six centuries. It asks, in one scholastic sentence, how sameness survives increase. It asks whether change is additive or substitutive. It asks whether degrees are parts. It asks what “remaining” could mean for a form. It asks whether quality can be treated quasi-quantitatively without ceasing to be quality. S.: And all that before breakfast. G.: In Bologna, certainly before breakfast. S.: In Oxford, after tea. G.: With less good Latin. S.: Let us compare, then, title and incipit explicitly. G.: The title: De intensione et remissione formarum. Broad, balanced, archival, neutral. The incipit: Quaestio utrum intensio formae fiat per additionem partis formalis ad partem formalem utroque remanente. Narrow, asymmetrical, argumentative, metabolically alive. S.: The title says what shelf it goes on. The incipit says where thought begins to hurt. G.: Very good. You are almost useful. S.: I do my best. G.: Notice too the movement from abstract noun to process. The title gives you intensio and remissio as paired nominal themes. The incipit immediately turns one of them into fiat, into an occurrence. How does it happen. S.: That is nicely Gricean too. One is less interested in labels than in the conditions under which something is properly said to occur. G.: Indeed. The sentence asks for criteria of occurrence. Under what description is intensification correctly identified. S.: Not unlike asking when one may say someone has implicated rather than said. G.: Exactly. The relation is not one of doctrine but of temperament. Both are interested in the fine articulation of phenomena that ordinary language half-registers and half-confuses. S.: You are trying to make Giacomo sound like a medieval Strawson. G.: Only in the sense that he takes ordinary comparative predication seriously enough to ask what must be true for it not to be mere babble. S.: And perhaps to risk that some of it is mere babble after all. G.: Or badly framed doctrine. That is where the Strawsonian internal negation comes in. Not just no, but no, no, that is not how one should ask it. S.: Still, I can imagine the scholastic structure. Objections for addition. Objections against. Sed contra. Determinatio. Replies ad primum, ad secundum. G.: Certainly. And somewhere in the middle, one can imagine the patient disentangling of additive, substitutive, and perhaps some third model. Neither simple replacement nor literal piling up of formal bricks. S.: A middle way. G.: Bologna likes middle ways almost as much as Oxford likes distinctions. S.: Let us try examples. Heat. G.: A standard one. A body becomes hotter. Does the earlier heat remain while another degree is added. S.: Whiteness. G.: Also standard. A cloth becomes whiter. S.: Health. G.: Best of all, because it is both physiological and normative. S.: Virtue. G.: Dangerous, but useful. One may become more virtuous, and then all the same questions arise in an evaluative register. S.: So the doctrine extends from the natural to the moral. G.: And that is one reason it is philosophically fertile. Once quality becomes gradable, the bridge between physics, medicine, ethics, and language becomes alarmingly short. S.: Which is why Grice, with his mania for categories and his suspicion of careless language, would have liked it. G.: Yes. He would have enjoyed especially the instability between quality and quantity. A quality quantified but not reduced to quantity. A category strained by comparative use but not dissolved by it. S.: And Wiggins would have asked what remains the same. G.: And Strawson would have asked whether the whole picture is descriptively appropriate. S.: And Austin would have asked how we actually talk. G.: And Kant would have wandered in and asked whether synthesis is being confused with analysis. S.: While Aristotle would sit there with health and disease and be mocked by Grice for his devotion to bodily examples. G.: Exactly. It is a splendid party. S.: All organised by Giacomo della Torre in Bologna long before Oxford had learned to make tea properly. G.: Precisely. And that is why he matters. Not because he solves our problem in front of us—we still lack the explicit determination—but because he frames a problem with enough precision that later philosophy can recognise itself in it. S.: So the punchline is that we still do not know his answer. G.: Yes. S.: And that this is not failure. G.: No, it is the best success of the incipit. It has survived as a question sharp enough to generate thought even in the absence of its own conclusion. S.: Which sounds suspiciously like something you would say when you have not done the homework. G.: My dear boy, in philosophy the deepest homework is often preserving the exact form of the question until someone is capable of answering it less badly. S.: So Della Torre lives. G.: Yes. He lives wherever someone still asks, with proper fastidiousness, whether a form becomes more by addition of formal part to formal part, both remaining. S.: And whether that very question is already too much. G.: Quite. Philosophy stays alive not by always having answers, but by learning to ask better and more dangerous questions than the generation before. S.: Bologna 1, Boum Vadum 0. G.: For today, yes.Grice: Caro Torre, oggi mi sento “implicante”. Ti va un po’ di gioco linguistico? Immagina: se “implicanza” fosse la sorella di “stravaganza”, quale delle due sarebbe la più stravagante a una festa di filosofi? Torre: Ah, Grice, domanda degna di un vero Aristotele in vena di scherzi! “Stravagante”, in effetti, ha un pedigree di tutto rispetto: viene da ‘extra-vagans’, ossia chi va “oltre il pascolo”, fuori dai sentieri battuti. Lo diceva già Cicerone, parlando di chi si avventura fuori dal solco della ragione! Quindi, tra le due, “stravaganza” non solo porta il cappello più bizzarro, ma balla pure fuori dal cerchio! Grice: Allora, se io implico qualcosa, mi sto comportando da filosofo “stravagante” o “implicante”? Oppure, come direbbe Cicerone, rischio solo di perdermi tra i boschi senza trovare la via di Forlì? Torre: Ma figurati, Grice! Qui a Forlì diciamo: “Chi non vaga, non trova le implicanze più gustose!” L’importante è che tu sia stravagante abbastanza da implicare una battuta brillante. E poi, si sa, la vera filosofia nasce quando si va “extra-vagans”... ma sempre con un occhio al ritorno, come insegnava Cicerone, per non finire a filosofare in mezzo alle pecore! Torre, Giacomo della (1382). Dissertazione. Quaestio utrum intensio formae fiat per additionem partis formalis ad partem formalem utroque remanente. Bologna.

 

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Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Trabalza – Ossia: Grice e Trabalza: grammatica razionale ed implicatura conversazionale. Note sulla Storia della grammatica italiana. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Ciro Trabalza (Bevagna, Perugia, Umbria): grammatica razionale ed implicatura conversazionale. A comparison between H. P. Grice and Ciro Trabalza on reason‑governed conversational meaning brings into view two complementary ways of grounding rationality in language. Grice’s theory, articulated in “Logic and Conversation,” treats conversational meaning as governed by rational expectations shared by competent speakers: syntactic form matters, but it matters because speakers assume one another to be reasoning agents who exploit grammar to convey more than is strictly said, through implicature calculable by appeal to purpose, relevance, and mutual recognition. Trabalza, from the very different vantage point of historical and rational grammar, approaches language as a system whose syntactic categories are not arbitrary but reflect deeper ontological and cognitive categories, an assumption rooted in the Italian tradition of grammatica razionale and reinforced by Crocean aesthetics. Where Grice theorizes implicature as a dynamic product of conversational rationality in use, Trabalza treats grammar itself as already imbued with rational form, so that interpretation is guided by historically sedimented structures rather than moment‑to‑moment conversational calculation alone. The convergence lies in their shared resistance to a purely formalist or mathematically “washed” view of language: both reject the idea that syntax is neutral with respect to meaning, and both see linguistic structure as answerable to human reason. The difference is one of emphasis: Grice foregrounds the pragmatic intelligence of speakers negotiating meaning in context, while Trabalza foregrounds the rational dignity of grammatical systems as repositories of intelligibility that make such negotiations possible in the first place. Grice: “Russell always made fun of our stone-age metaphysics. Physics, strictly. Ad there’s nothing funny about it, if we think of SYNTACTIC CATEGORIES as reflecting ONTOLOGICAL CATEGORIES – something that goes beyond Baron Russell’s mathematically-washed brain!” Ciro Trabalza (Bevagna – m. Roma -- è stato un grammatico e critico letterario italiano. Consegue la laurea in lettere all'Università di Roma. Negli anni successivi insegnò in varie scuole secondarie di Empoli, Modena, Perugia e Padova, prima di intraprendere la carriera amministrativa, quale ispettore centrale del Ministero della pubblica istruzione e poi come direttore generale per la scuola media e per gli scambi culturali con l'estero. Nel corso dell'incarico ministeriale, ebbe il particolare merito di dar vita agli Istituti italiani di cultura all'estero, tuttora esistenti ed operativi nella maggior parte delle città capitali del mondo, con la funzione precipua di diffondere la lingua e la cultura italiana all'estero.  Come studioso si occupò di grammatica storica della lingua italiana e di critica letteraria, dal Boccaccio al Rinascimento e a tutto il secolo diciassettesimo. Appare evidente l'ispirazione crociana della critica estetica di T.. Il suo nome peraltro è soprattutto legato alla diffusa e discussa Storia della grammatica italiana, che Alfredo Schiaffini tra gli altri ebbe a definire «poderosa e severa»[3]. Ciro Trabalza svolse altresì un'assidua attività pubblicistica e diresse, tra l'altro, la rivista «Problemi della scuola e della cultura.  Opere Della vita e delle opere di Torti, Bevagna, Studi e profili, Torino, Paravia, Saggio di vocabolario umbro-italiano e viceversa, Bologna, Forni, Studi sul Boccaccio, Città di Castello, S. Lapi, Storia della grammatica italiana, Milano, Hoepli, La critica letteraria, dai primordi dell'Umanesimo a tutto il secolo diciassettesimo, Milano, Vallardi, Dipanatura critiche, Bologna, Cappelli, 1920. la grammatica razionale di Grice, ‘Logic and conversation,’ repinted in Davidson and Harman, Logic and Grammar!  G.: Let us begin where the thing begins, which is not with Croce, not with Vossler, not even with Torti, but with a young man from Bevagna entering the Palazzo della Sapienza in 1894 and discovering that antiquarianism can be an alibi for a life. S.: A life, or a laurea. G.: In Rome those can briefly coincide. Ciro Trabalza is twenty-two or twenty-three, depending on the month; he has Monaci over him, the Sapienza around him, and Francesco Torti in front of him like a perfectly chosen excuse. S.: “Excuse” is very good. It sounds less pious than “subject.” G.: Quite. Every good thesis has an official object and a real motive. Officially, the object is Torti. Really, the motive is language. S.: Language, or grammar. G.: Exactly. And not grammar in the schoolroom sense only, but grammar as a way of entering the question of how Italian became thinkable as a historical and rational object. S.: Still, if one told an ignoramus that Trabalza’s laurea was on Della vita e delle opere di Francesco Torti di Bevagna, the ignoramus would say: ah, another dust-covered local worthy. G.: The ignoramus would be wrong in the usual way: by being too literal. Torti is local in provenance and strategic in significance. S.: Explain strategic. G.: Torti lets Trabalza do three things at once. He can honour a fellow Umbrian; he can enter the questione della lingua; and he can begin, under Monaci, the long move from literary-historical retrieval to the history of grammar. S.: So the local author is really a gateway drug. G.: Precisely. A scholar begins by writing on a minor figure and ends by re-describing the whole tradition that made that figure matter. S.: And Monaci, sitting there in the Sapienza, knew this. G.: I think so. Monaci was too shrewd a philologist to waste a gifted student on a merely decorative topic. S.: Let us fix the scene. Trabalza, born 1871, laurea in 1894, in Lettere, at the Sapienza, in the Palazzo. G.: Yes. And the Palazzo matters, because the old Roman university still housed the humanities in a building that made learning feel both administrative and ceremonial. S.: You like buildings too much. G.: Buildings are merely grammar in stone. S.: Ah, now we are at Trabalza. G.: We never left him. S.: But why Torti? Why not someone grander, if the point is really the history of language? G.: Because grandeur can be paralysing. Torti is the right size. Large enough to connect with the national debate, small enough to need rescue. S.: A rescuable author. G.: Exactly. And a useful one. Torti is anti-purist in the early nineteenth-century sense, which means he is fighting the reduction of Italian to a narrow Trecento-Crusca norm. S.: Purism then is basically Crusca-Firenze-Trecento? G.: Broadly, yes. Not just a dictionary preference, but a whole ideology of authority: old Tuscan as normative, modern innovations under suspicion, non-sanctioned usage treated as contamination. S.: So anti-purism is not “let everyone say whatever he likes.” G.: No. It is not linguistic anarchy. It is resistance to the tyranny of one sanctified model. S.: Which is already more interesting than I thought. G.: Naturally. Torti is not defending bad Italian. He is defending the legitimacy of living Italian against antiquarian over-policing. S.: And this is where the history of language enters, not merely literary taste. G.: Exactly. If you reduce Torti to literary history, you miss the point. He is arguing about what Italian may become. S.: So Trabalza’s thesis is not merely “life and works.” It is really “life and works as entry into a regime of linguistic normativity.” G.: Admirably put. S.: I am improving. G.: Against my better judgment. Now, what Trabalza later does in Storia della grammatica italiana is to broaden that local strategic move into a national historical one. S.: And there the title is crucial: grammar, not literature. G.: Yes, though in Italy of that period grammar and literary history are never cleanly divorced. S.: Because Croce enters. G.: Precisely. Once Croce says that language is expression, grammar is no longer merely a list of forms. It becomes secondary reflection on expressive activity. S.: And then “pure” versus “impure” language begins to look philosophically vulgar. G.: At least in the strongest Crocean light. If every genuine utterance is an individual act of expression, then the old purist tribunal begins to lose absolute authority. S.: So Croce updates Torti by changing the level of the fight. G.: Exactly. Torti says: do not let Crusca tyrannise living language. Croce says: the very notion of an externally policed language is philosophically secondary to expression itself. S.: And Vossler? G.: Vossler philosophises and internationalises the move. He takes the idealist conception of language as expression and turns it into a philosophy of language in which style and spiritual form displace merely external rule. S.: And Trabalza stands between the old anti-purist debate and the newer idealist re-description. G.: Yes. That is why he is more interesting than a mere antiquarian. He writes the history of grammar after grammar has become philosophically unstable. S.: “Philosophically unstable” is nice. G.: It means grammar can no longer pretend to be merely a technology of correctness. S.: Yet Trabalza still writes a history of grammar, not an anti-grammar manifesto. G.: Because history is his way of making the problem visible. He does not abolish grammar. He historicises the ways Italians have tried to rationalise language. S.: So by the time he writes his grande opera, grammar has become a history of rationalisations. G.: Better: a history of how linguistic reflection oscillates between rule, expression, canon, and usage. S.: Which sounds surprisingly Gricean. G.: At a high enough altitude, yes. Grice would be interested whenever syntactic categories are taken as answerable to rational or ontological ones. S.: Though Grice is not a Crocean. G.: Certainly not. He would distrust the rhetoric of pure expression. But he would be fascinated by the tension between living use and codified form. S.: Whereas Torti, by contrast, is not asking Wood’s question: what is the force of linguistic rules. G.: Exactly. Torti is not an Oxford analyst. He is fighting over which norms should govern literary and linguistic legitimacy. S.: While O. P. Wood asks what sort of force a linguistic rule has at all. G.: Which is a very different question. Wood is conceptual; Torti is ideological and cultural. S.: That is what I meant before. Reading Torti in the light of Ryle and Wood may be unfair. G.: Unfair but illuminating. It shows the difference between asking “which usage should count?” and asking “what is it for a rule of use to bind?” S.: So Trabalza, if he follows Torti, follows him as historian of linguistic controversy, not as analyst of rule-force. G.: Precisely. S.: Yet Croce and Vossler drag the whole matter upward into philosophy of language. G.: They do. And that is why Trabalza’s Storia della grammatica italiana is not simply a museum of old schoolmasters. It is written in a world where grammar has become answerable to aesthetics, expression, and historicity. S.: Which is why one finds De Sanctis and similar figures there. G.: Yes. Because grammar has become entangled with criticism, national culture, and the philosophy of expression. S.: I can now see why the young Trabalza in 1894 might lock himself in the Palazzo with Torti. G.: “Lock himself in” is too dramatic. He was properly supervised by Monaci. S.: Which is a Roman way of being imprisoned. G.: Quite. S.: Tell me again about Monaci. G.: Ernesto Monaci, born in Soriano nel Cimino, not Vicovaro as I once unfortunately misplaced him; Roman philologist, formidable teacher, and exactly the man to direct a gifted Umbrian toward a strategically chosen nineteenth-century anti-purist. S.: So the story is almost too tidy. Umbrian student, Roman philologist, Umbrian anti-purist, laurea in the Palazzo. G.: Tidy stories are often historically true in outline and messy in implication. S.: Which is where your beloved implicature enters. G.: Naturally. A thesis on Torti in 1894 says more than “here is Torti.” It says: here is a young scholar placing himself within the history of language by way of a recoverable but not overworked figure. S.: And does the thesis actually help Torti’s afterlife? G.: In a limited but real way, yes. It does not canonise him universally, but it consolidates the dossier. After Trabalza, anyone wanting Torti has a modern monograph to start from. S.: Bibliographical consolidation rather than glory. G.: Exactly. Which is the commonest form of scholarly immortality. S.: Better than being unread on a shelf. G.: Marginally. S.: Now let me try an Oxford analogy. If the OED is descriptive and purism is prescriptive with a moral halo, where does Trabalza stand? G.: Trabalza is neither simple descriptivist nor simple prescriptivist. He is a historian of how Italians theorised grammar, under conditions where the force of norm and the reality of usage were both in dispute. S.: So he is not saying: “Here is the pure form; indoctrinate accordingly.” G.: No. That would be the old purist line. S.: Nor is he simply saying: “Record whatever people say.” G.: No. That would be too lexicographical and too thin. S.: Then he is showing how systems of normativity arose, fought, changed, and philosophically reinterpreted themselves. G.: Exactly so. S.: Which is why Croce and Vossler are not decorative appendices but essential background. G.: Yes. Without them you miss why a history of grammar in the early twentieth century could be intellectually ambitious rather than merely compilatory. S.: And that ambition reaches back to Torti? G.: In mediated form. Torti becomes retrospectively legible as an early challenger of purist closure, and Croce makes that challenge more philosophically radical by reconceiving language as expression. S.: So they are not simply repeating Torti. They are translating him upward. G.: Nicely said. Torti fights over linguistic legitimacy inside an older controversy. Croce and Vossler shift the fight into the ontology of language itself. Trabalza historicises the road between the two. S.: Which makes Storia della grammatica italiana less a grammar-book than a history of attempted self-consciousness about language. G.: Exactly. It is the history of Italy trying to know what it was doing when it codified, criticised, purified, relaxed, aestheticised, and nationalised its language. S.: That sounds far better than “a book about old grammarians.” G.: Most good books are misdescribed by lazy nouns. S.: There is still something deliciously comic about the young Trabalza getting a degree through Torti. G.: Degrees are often won through strategically chosen dead men. S.: And is Torti then a philosopher? G.: Not in the strict technical sense. Philosophically minded, yes; philosophically central, no. He is a figure in the history of linguistic and literary ideas. S.: Which is enough. G.: More than enough, if one knows what one is doing. S.: That phrase should be carved over the Sapienza. G.: The Sapienza needs no more carving. It has survived enough inscriptions already. S.: Let us return to Oxford for a moment. Wood on the force of linguistic rules, Ryle on use and usage, Grice on conversational normativity. Where does Trabalza look from there? G.: Distant but not irrelevant. Trabalza does not ask what gives a rule its force in the conceptual sense Wood asks. But he shows the historical sediment from which later arguments about grammatical normativity emerge. S.: So he supplies ancestry, not analysis. G.: Yes. Though ancestry can itself be analytic when properly narrated. S.: And Grice, if he read Trabalza, would perhaps be amused by the thought that grammar had been philosophically dignified in Italy before Oxford decided to make “use” fashionable. G.: Very likely. He would also appreciate the anti-purist suspicion that authorised form is not the whole truth about rational communication. S.: Which is where Torti becomes unexpectedly modern. G.: Modern enough to deserve recovery, not modern enough to become Wood. S.: Good. I like that. “Not modern enough to become Wood.” G.: You may keep it. S.: And we still end where we began: Trabalza. G.: We must. Because the point of all the intermediaries is to show that Trabalza is not a footnote to Torti, but the historian who makes Torti speak again under new philosophical weather. S.: In 1894 he gets his degree by rescuing a strategically useful anti-purist. G.: Yes. S.: Later he writes a history of grammar under Crocean and post-Crocean pressure. G.: Yes. S.: And the ignorant think this is mere antiquarian pro-Trecento literary dust. G.: They always do, until they notice that the “dust” is what remains after a whole nation has fought over what its language is allowed to be. S.: So the punchline is that the Palazzo gave him a laurea, Torti gave him a route, Croce gave him altitude, and grammar gave him a civilisation to narrate. G.: Exactly. S.: And this, you would say, is why Trabalza matters. G.: Yes. He begins with Torti and ends by teaching us that grammar is never only grammar. S.: Which means we have ended with Trabalza. G.: As we were always meant to.Grice: Caro Trabalza, devo confessarti che raramente ho letto qualcosa di così stimolante e profondo come le tue incursioni filosofiche nei dettagli grammaticali del latino e dell’italiano. Mi hanno affascinato al punto da tentare – non senza difficoltà – di applicare simili sottigliezze alle lingue più “barbare” che si parlano attorno al Vadum Boum, quella strana espressione con cui, quasi per gioco, chiamavamo Oxford tra amici. In fondo, è come dire: dove il fiume scorre e i buoi passano, la lingua si rinnova, ma non sempre si nobilita. Trabalza: Grice, le tue parole sono un balsamo per l’anima di chi, come me, crede nella dignità filosofica della grammatica. La tua attenzione verso le «categorie sintattiche» che, a ben vedere, riflettono le «categorie ontologiche» mi fa sentire compreso. E se anche nelle lingue di Vadum Boum – Oxford – si tentano queste alchimie, vuol dire che la nostra ricerca ha davvero un respiro universale. Grice: Esatto, Trabalza! In fondo, ogni volta che scandagliamo la struttura di una lingua, cerchiamo di dare senso all’esperienza umana. Anche Russell, con il suo cervello matematicamente lavato, non riusciva a cogliere quanto la grammatica possa essere fonte di verità filosofica. Forse, proprio tra le declinazioni latine e le sottigliezze italiane, troviamo quella ragione conversazionale che illumina anche gli idiomi più recalcitranti. Trabalza: Grice, è proprio in questo dialogo tra grammatico e filosofo che si fa strada la vera implicatura. La grammatica razionale non è solo regola, ma anche interpretazione, come insegna la critica crociana. E se la lingua italiana, con le sue mille sfumature, si diffonde nel mondo grazie all’impegno di chi crede nella conversazione civile, allora abbiamo costruito davvero un ponte tra la ragione italiana e quella universale. Trabalza, Ciro (1894). Torti. Sotto Monaci. Sapienza Roma.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tragella – Ossia: Grice e Tragella: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazional dei caduti. Note su La critica letteraria in Italia. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Padre Cesare Tragella (Trezzano sul Naviglio, Milano, Lombardia): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazional dei caduti – A comparison between Grice and Cesare Tragella on reason‑governed conversational meaning turns on the way rationality is anchored in lived practice rather than abstract system. For Grice, conversational rationality is articulated through the idea that meaning in conversation is governed by reasons that participants expect one another to recognize: implicature arises because speakers are taken to be rational agents, oriented toward shared purposes, and capable of allowing what is meant to exceed what is said without collapsing into sentimentality. In the autobiographical episode surrounding the death of the original best man and Grice’s meeting his future wife, rational talk about loss is inseparable from tacit understanding, restraint, and shared recognition of what cannot be fully voiced; the fallen are present through implicature rather than proclamation. Tragella’s work on the caduti, by contrast, situates conversational reason within historical and devotional practice: memorialization, architecture, letters, and liturgical language are reason‑guided forms of address in which silence, gesture, and place do as much rational work as explicit assertion. Where Grice theorizes implicature as a mechanism of cooperative intelligibility, Tragella embodies it as an ethical duty of remembrance, in which the absence of the fallen continually calls for rational response without rhetorical excess. The convergence lies in their shared refusal of empty rhetoric: for both, reason governs conversation precisely when it allows memory, loss, and moral seriousness to be conveyed indirectly, through forms that respect both understanding and dignity. Grice italo per i caduti. Grice, “How I met my wife.” As it happens, Grice was a student at Merton. A younger recipient of the same Senior scholarship, J. S. Watson, called him on short noice to fulfil the task of best man – seeing that the original best man had been killed in action shortly before. It was a Watson’s wedding that Grice met his future wife. While Grice himself was engaged  in action in the North Atlantic, he was transferred to the Admiralty for the remaining of the duration of the war.  Studia a Gorla Minore, Milano, e Torino. Si occupa di serbare la memoria della battaglia di Magenta con la costruzione di una cappella espiatoria all'interno della chiesa per accogliere le spoglie dei caduti. Ricovero vecchi poveri Sito Lombardia Beni Culturali.  Viviani, cfr. Tunesi, Morani Le stagioni, op. cit.. T., Lettera a Murri in: Murri, L. Bedeschi, Carteggio. II. Lettere a Murri. Roma, Edizioni di Storia e Letteratura, Le stagioni di un prete, Le stagioni di un prete, «Rivista di storia e letteratura religiosa», Viviani, Dalle ricerche la prima storia vera, Magenta, Zeisciu. per i caduti. Grice: Caro Tragella, sai, raramente mi sento così a mio agio come con te nel parlare dei caduti. Forse solo tu puoi capire quello che si prova, perché per me non è solo filosofia, ma storia viva: ho visto amici cadere in mare, uno di loro era destinato a essere il testimone a un matrimonio, ma il destino… beh, ha scelto per tutti noi. E proprio lì, tra il dolore e la memoria, ho incontrato anche la donna che sarebbe diventata mia moglie. Tragella: Grice, la tua confidenza mi onora e commuove. Anche per me, la memoria dei caduti non è un esercizio di retorica, ma un dovere del cuore e della ragione. Ho consacrato la mia vita a conservare il loro ricordo, perché siano sempre celebrati non solo come eroi, ma come uomini la cui assenza ci interroga ogni giorno. Grice: Allora brindiamo, caro amico, al coraggio di chi ci ha preceduto e a quella strana fraternità che ci lega, al di là delle parole e della filosofia. Ogni gesto di memoria è un gesto di vita, e oggi sento che non siamo soli nel nostro ricordo. Tragella: Esattamente, Grice. Che il nostro brindisi sia un inno silenzioso ai caduti e un segno di speranza per chi resta. La storia li ricorda, la filosofia li onora, ma il cuore—solo il cuore—li rende eterni. Tragella, Cesare (1874). Ordination. Milano

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Trappani – Ossia: Grice e Trappani: la ragione conversazionale. Note sulla Dissertatio doctoralis. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Giuseppe La Napola da Trapani (Trapani) Jr.: la ragione conversazionale, Giuseppe La Napola (Napoli) da Trapani junior è stato un francescano, filosofo e teologo italiano.  Nato a Trapani, Giuseppe La Napola da Trapani jr. era un frate minore conventuale, da distinguersi da Giuseppe La Napola da Trapani senior, sempre frate minore conventuale ma suo zio. Appartenente alla Provincia di Sicilia, venne inviato a Roma, presso il Collegio San Bonaventura, da cui uscì addottorato nel 1608. In seguito ha esercitato la docenza presso lo Studium di Bologna, poi reggente degli studi a Padova, carica che esercitò per poco tempo.  Infatti, a Enna, la fraternità provinciale della Sicilia lo elesse suo Ministro, carica che il Ministro generale dei frati minori conventuali, Giacomo Montanari da Bagnocavallo, non rese effettiva se prima non avesse portato a termine il suo incarico di insegnamento. fu reggente degli studi a Palermo ed è da presupporre che egli sia stato reggente degli studi a Napoli. è tornato a Trapani, dove è rimasto fino alla fine dei suoi giorni. La tradizione lo ricorda come il maestro di Bartolomeo Mastri da Meldola.  Nel suo insegnamento, Giuseppe La Napola jr. non esponeva solamente la dottrina di una corrente teologica, ma offriva una formazione metodologica innovativa per il tempo, privilegiando la via Scoti, i principi della dottrina scotista Marco Forlivesi, "Scotistarum princeps". Bartolomeo Mastri e il suo tempo, Centro Studi Antoniani, Padova Marco Forlivesi, Scotistarum princeps. Bartolomeo Mastri e il suo tempo, Centro Studi Antoniani, Padova Marco Forlivesi, «Gli scotisti secenteschi di fronte al dibattito tra bañeziani e molinisti: un'introduzione e una nota», in: Conoscenza e contingenza nella tradizione aristotelica medievale, a cura di St. Perfetti, E.T.S., Pisa Ordine dei Frati Minori Conventuali Giovanni Duns Scoto Bartolomeo Mastri Francescanesimo   Portale Biografie   Portale Filosofia Categorie: Francescani italiani Filosofi italiani Teologi italiani Nati a Trapani Morti a Trapani.  Grice: Caro Trapani, devo confessarti che ogni volta che sento parlare di “la ragione conversazionale francescana”, mi immagino subito una tavolata di frati che discutono se sia più filosofico il pane raffermo o la zuppa calda. Dimmi: come si filosofeggia tra le mura conventuali, con un po’ di ironia?  Trapani: Ah, Grice, ti dirò che la vera difficoltà non sta nel pane o nella zuppa, ma nel convincere i frati che la logica scotista non si applica alle porzioni del pranzo! E se qualcuno osa citare Aristotele, gli facciamo portare il piatto vuoto: così impara il valore della contingenza!  Grice: Splendido! Allora, dovrei scrivere un trattato sul “principio di sufficienza della minestra”? Forse così potrei finalmente convincere Russell che la filosofia non si fa solo con numeri e formule, ma anche con cucchiai e sorrisi tra amici!  Trapani: Grice, se vuoi davvero filosofare alla siciliana, ricorda il proverbio: “Meglio una minestra condivisa che cento sillogismi da soli!” E poi, se il dibattito si fa troppo acceso, basta offrire un cannolo: quello mette tutti d’accordo, persino gli scotisti più testardi! G: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionle –Grice italo implicatura. Filosofo italiano.  Grice: Caro Trapaninapola, devo confessarti che ogni volta che sento parlare di implicatura conversazionale, immagino subito una riunione segreta tra filosofi dove si discute se il caffè debba essere lungo o ristretto. Dimmi, è così che funziona la filosofia italiana a Roma, o sono io che complico tutto come sempre? Trapaninapola: Ah, Grice, se la ragione conversazionale potesse davvero decidere il destino del caffè romano, avremmo risolto più problemi che in mille trattati! Ma ti dirò, l’implicatura qui si manifesta quando il barista ti chiede “zucchero?” e tu rispondi “come viene viene”—un vero esercizio di filosofia applicata! Grice: Splendido! Allora, per capire la tua implicatura, dovrei forse interpretare ogni gesto del barista come una metafora esistenziale? Mi sa che dovrò scrivere un nuovo capitolo sul “significato nascosto del cucchiaino abbandonato”, o rischiare di essere frainteso come un turista a Trastevere! Trapaninapola: Grice, non c’è dubbio che il cucchiaino abbandonato sia la vera chiave della filosofia italiana! D’altronde, come diceva mio zio – che era famoso più per il cannolo che per i sillogismi – “se non capisci la conversazione, almeno goditi il dolce!” Ecco la vera implicatura: filosofare, sì, ma sempre con il sorriso… e qualcosa di buono da mangiare! Trapani, Giuseppe La Napola da (1608). Dissertatio doctoralis. Collegio Fidanza, Roma.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Trepassi – Ossia: Grice e Trapassi: la ragione conversazionale romana, la ragione conversazionale italiana. Note sulle Rime. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Pietro Antonio Domenico Trapassi (Roma): la ragione conversazionale romana, la ragione conversazionale italiana. Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning makes implicature a rationally reconstructible upshot of cooperative talk: hearers infer what a speaker means beyond what is said by assuming the speaker is pursuing recognizable conversational ends, and they justify the inference by appeal to broadly shared norms of reasonable contribution (relevance, sufficiency, etc.). With Trapassi (Pietro Metastasio), the “reason” at issue is less the inferential logic of everyday exchange and more a dramatized public reason: his opera seria libretti stage characters whose utterances are constrained by decorum, courtly hierarchy, and the ethical politics of passion-control, so that indirectness functions as a rhetorical technology for governing emotions and securing legitimacy (what must be meant often cannot be said outright, given role, rank, and the demands of virtu and duty). In Grice, implicature is a general mechanism for extracting intended meaning from conversational moves; in Metastasio/Trapassi, implicit meaning is typically the scenic and moral surplus generated when the literal line is shaped for performance—an economy of allusion, restraint, and audience uptake in which what is “understood” depends on shared cultural scripts about honor, clemency, sovereignty, and self-mastery. The comparison, then, is between Grice’s universalist account of reason as the interpreter’s method for computing speaker-meaning, and Trapassi’s theatrical-civic account of reason as the staged regulation of what can be said (and so of what must be implied) in a Roman/Italian idiom where language is already a public instrument of moral and political order. Grice: “There are several historical one-volume editions of Pietro Metastasio’s complete works in Italian. The most notable historical one-volume editions include: Edition Published in Florence by Tipografia Borghi e Compagni, this volume (Tutte le opere di Pietro Metastasio volume unico) contains approximately 1,097 pages. Edition Published by Le Monnier in Florence, this edition also collects his entire output into a single volume. Edition Published in Naples by C. Boutteaux e M. Aubry, this edition contains 1,119 pages with text presented in two columns.  Key Modern Edition While these historical single volumes exist, the standard scholarly reference for his complete works is actually a five-volume set edited by Bruno Brunelli, titled Tutte le opere di Pietro Metastasio, published by Mondadori. This set is widely considered the definitive modern compilation due to its critical apparatus.  Would you like to search for a current digital versionor a reprint of the 19th-century single-volume editions?Pietro Metastasio's real name was  Pietro Antonio Domenico Trapassi, and he was born in   Rome . His oeuvre is important to the history of philosophy because his dramatic works were an artistic reflection of Enlightenment-era political and moral philosophy, particularly concerning absolutist monarchy and the control of human passions through reason.    Real Name and Place of Birth Real Name: Pietro Antonio Domenico Trapassi. The name "Metastasio" was a Greek translation ("crossing") of his original surname suggested by his patron, the influential lawyer and man of letters Gianvincenzo Gravina. Place of Birth: Rome, Papal States (now Italy).  Importance in the History of Philosophy Metastasio's significance in the history of philosophy lies not in his being a philosopher himself, but in how his widely popular opera seria libretti dramatized the prevailing philosophical and political ideas of the European Ancien Régime and the early Enlightenment. Grice: Buongiorno, Trapassi! Sai, a Oxford ti conoscono come Metastasio, solo così—il vulgo si è affezionato al soprannome che ti sei dato da solo! Trapassi: Caro Grice, che curiosa sorte! Quel nome greco mi fu suggerito da Gravina, ma ormai è diventato la mia seconda pelle, tanto che quasi dimentico il mio vero Trapassi romano. Grice: Eh sì, ma forse è proprio questa metamorfosi che rende immortali gli uomini di lettere. In fondo, il nome scelto riflette la ragione conversazionale: passare, attraversare idee e mondi. Trapassi: Hai ragione, amico mio. E se il pubblico si affeziona al soprannome, è perché nei versi e nelle conversazioni trova un ponte tra la ragione italiana e quella universale. D’altronde, come dice il proverbio, “nome nuovo, vita nuova” Trapassi, Pietro Antonio Domenico (1729). Rime, Venezia: Zatta.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Trapè – Ossia: Grice e Trapè: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’umanità di Varrone. Note su Agostino uomo. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Agostino Trapè (Montegiorgio, Fermo, Marche): la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’umanità di Varrone -- Grice’s theory of reason-governed meaning explains how hearers recover what a speaker means (including implicatures) by assuming cooperative rational agency and then reconstructing the reasons that make an utterance an appropriate move in context; the “governance” is primarily inferential and normative (what it would be reasonable to take the speaker to intend, given shared purposes and conversational constraints). Trapè, as a major Augustinian scholar and institutional founder (he promoted the Pontificio Istituto Patristico Augustinianum, founded and directed the Nuova Biblioteca Agostiniana, and the Corpus Scriptorum Augustinianorum), approaches meaning less through a maxims-and-calculation model and more through a humanitas frame in which language is a moral-intellectual practice formed by the tradition of Latinity and the education of the human person; his explicit interest in Varro and Augustine as “praecipui humanitatis cultores” signals that what matters is how discourse cultivates the human (homo) through learned conversation, textual inheritance, and spiritual-intellectual formation. In that light, Grice’s implicature looks like a micro-theory of rational coordination between interlocutors, whereas Trapè’s “conversational reason” (as your passage stages it via Varro’s humanitas) looks like the larger civilizing and ethical horizon in which conversation becomes a vehicle of formation: not only what is inferred beyond what is said, but how the very practice of speaking, joking, correcting, and learning together is ordered toward making persons more fully human. Grice supplies a general mechanism for deriving implied content from utterances; Trapè supplies a thicker account of why such mechanisms matter, because conversation—grounded in Latinity, tradition, and the Augustinian concern for the human person—functions as a school of humanitas in which reason is exercised as a lived virtue rather than merely deployed as an interpretive algorithm.-- Grice italo humanitas, homo, Varrone. Uno dei massimi studiosi della filosofia semiotica d’Agostino. Si laurea a Roma con una “Il concorso divino in Colonna” (Tolentino). Insegna a Roma. Promosse la fondazione dell'Istituto patristico augustinianum.  Fonda la "Biblioteca agostiniana" che si occupa della volgarizzazione di Agostino (Città Nuova) e il "Corpus scriptorum augustianorum", che pubblica le opere dei filosofi scolastici agostiniani.  Altri saggi: “Introduzione ad Agostino e le grandi correnti della filosofia contemporanea”, Atti del congresso Italiano di filosofia agostiniana, Roma, Tolentino; Varro et Augustinus praecipui humanitatis cultores, Latinitas Augustinus et Varro, Atti del Congresso di studi varroniani, Rieti) – VARRONE --; “Escatologia e anti-platonismo” Augustinianum, “Agostino, filosofo e teologo dell'uomo”; Bollettino dell’Istituto di filosofia (Macerata); Agostino: L'ineffabilità di Dio, in  «La ricerca di Dio nelle religioni (EMI, Bologna); “La Aeterni Patris e la filosofia”, Atti del Congresso Tomistico, Roma; Agostino, l'uomo, il pastore, il mistico” (Roma, Città Nuova); Patrologia, Casale Monferrato, Dizionario patristico e di antichità cristiana, Casale Monferrato, Introduzione e commento alla lettera apostolica «Hipponensem episcopum», Roma, Introduzione ad Agostino, Roma,  L'amico, il maestro, il pioniere, Cremona, apostolo della cultura. la semiotica d’Agostino, Varrone, humanitas.  Grice: Ah, Trapè, che piacere! Finalmente posso celebrare la “umanità” di Varrone senza dovermi arrovellare con i miei studenti barbari di Vadum Boum, che pensano che “humanitas” sia una specie di pasta integrale. Qui almeno posso festeggiare un po’ di vero spirito latino! Dimmelo, cos’è per te questa “umanità”? Non dirmi che anche tu la confondi con la mensa universitaria! Trapè: Grice, ti rassicuro: nessuna mensa universitaria, ma piuttosto un banchetto per l’anima! “Humanitas”, secondo Varrone, è quell’arte raffinata di essere uomini senza diventare statue di marmo, e senza, per carità, ridursi a semplici “homo sapiens” col grembiule. È la capacità di sorridere, discutere e magari, ogni tanto, sbagliare in bella compagnia. Varrone avrebbe davvero apprezzato il tuo spirito oxoniense, purché non troppo barbuto! Grice: Barbuto sì, ma almeno non peloso come certi miei colleghi! E allora, Trapè, se “humanitas” è allegria, conversazione, e qualche errore ben piazzato, forse dovremmo istituire una cattedra su come equivocare con stile. D’altronde, l’implicatura conversazionale non sta proprio nel trovare il senso dove gli altri cercano la regola? Varrone sarebbe il primo a ridere sotto i baffi! Trapè: Ecco, Grice, hai colto nel segno! La vera “umanità” non sta nel non sbagliare, ma nel saperci ridere sopra e imparare qualcosa, magari davanti a un piatto di lasagne — rigorosamente marchigiane, si capisce! E se i tuoi barbari studenti si lamentano, ricordagli che secondo Varrone, essere umani è saper conversare, anche quando si parla con la bocca piena. La filosofia, insomma, è più saporita se gustata in buona compagnia! Trapè, Agostino (1951). Sant'Agostino uomo, Roma: Città Nuova.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Trebazio – Ossia: Grice e Trebazio: la ragione conversazionale della repubblica romana e l’implicatura conversazionale del luogo – Roma antica. Note su De codicillis et de ratione iuris: responsa ad consultationem principis. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Gaio Trebazio Testa: la ragione conversazionale della repubblica romana e l’implicatura conversazionale del luogo – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning makes implicature an inferential achievement: a hearer, presuming cooperative rational agency, explains why a speaker said what she did by recovering an intended extra content that would make the move reasonable under shared conversational norms (so the “governance” is by publicly reconstructible reasons, not by private association). Trebazio (Gaius Trebatius Testa), by contrast, is best read—on the evidence of his historical persona—as a jurist and pragmatic counselor operating in the normative ecology of the late Republic and early Principate, where “reason” is institutionalized as ius: his expertise concerns how texts, formulae, and acts acquire force within legal and political practice (Cicero dedicates the Topica to him; he is connected with Caesar and Augustus; later tradition credits him with helping legitimate codicils), and Horace even stages him as the voice of prudent advice about what one may safely “say” in Rome. Set against Grice, Trebazio thus exemplifies a different axis of reason-governance: not the maxims that make conversational inference calculable, but the juridical and rhetorical constraints that make utterances actionable, defensible, or dangerous in a public forum; where Grice models how a rational interpreter derives implicata from an utterance’s apparent conformity (or strategic nonconformity) to cooperative principles, Trebazio models how a Roman professional reasons from place, forum, authority, and precedent to what can be responsibly asserted, insinuated, or left unsaid—so that what Grice treats as conversational implicature, Trebazio would naturally treat as prudent insinuatio under law and politics, i.e., meaning that is governed by reasons because it is governed by norms, offices, and the risks attached to speech in the res publica. Roma antica -- la filosofia romana –  filosofia campanese -- filosofia italiana – Grice italo – By , pel Gruppo di Gioco di Grice, ,  (Velia). Abstract. Grice: “T. is the Italian name for the Ancient Roman jurist and politician Gaius Trebatius. He is a well-known figure in Italian legal and literary history for several reasons: Legal Legacy: He is one of the most prominent jurists of the late Roman Republic and early Principate. He is credited with introducing "codicils,” informal additions to a will, into Roman law at the request of Emperor OTTAVIANO  Augustus. Literary Connections: He is a close friend of CICERONE , who dedicated several works to him and writes numerous letters addressed to him. Political Influence: T. serves as a legal advisor to both GIULIO  Caesar and OTTAVIANO . Cultural Presence: In Italy, he is frequently referred to as Gaio T. Testa in academic contexts, legal encyclopedias, and historical literature.  Would you like to know more about his legal reformsor his famous correspondence with Cicero?” Keywords. Filosofo italiano. Novi Velia, Salerno, Campania. È molto dubbio che si debbano prendere alla lettera certe espressioni di CICERONE che accennano l’inclinazione di T. por la filosofia dell’Orto. Provenne da famiglia agiata e pare che si reca a Roma per darsi agli studi giuridici. Per raccomandazione di CICERONE, GIULIO CESARE lo conduce nelle Gallie e si serve di lui per pareri giuridici. Ritornato a Roma all’inizio della guerra civile, T. age da mediatore tra GIULIO CESARE  e CICERONE. Nel conflitto fra CESARE e POMPEO, T. si schiera col primo al quale rimase sempre fedele. Dopo la morte di GIULIO CESARE, T. si reca spesso alla villa Tuscolana di CICERONE, ove gli caddero in mano i "Topica" di Aristotele. Per contentare il suo desiderio di avere chiarimenti di quella trattazione, CICERONE scrive il saggio omonimo che dedica ed invia a T. In seguito T.  I topica di Cicerone, ius, IVSTVM, legge, Ottaviano, Labeone, satira, Orazio, religione, ius civile, pragmatica del diritto.  GRICEVS: Salve, Trebati! Audivi te codicillos in ius Romanum introduxisse—quid te ad hoc movit? TREBATIVS: Salvum te, Grice! Imperator Ottavianus rogavit, ut testamenta clariora fierent; ego enim semper pragmatica adhibere studui. GRICEVS: Cicero nonnumquam te “philosophum horti” appellavit. Estne ordo Epicureus tibi cordi? TREBATIVS: Grice, verum dicam: non tam doctrina Epicurea quam ipso sermonis pretio atque iustitiae concretae studio delectatus sum. Si in horto tranquillitas colitur, in foro sensus communis et legum claritas serenda est. Semper credidi philosophiam, etiam hortensem, rei publicae civibusque prodesse debere, neque inter pergulas inclusam manere. Itaque, inter risum cum Horatio et contentionem cum Cicerone, didici verum sapientem esse eum qui rationem loco temporique in quo vivit accommodare novit. Trebazio Testa, Gaio (a.u.c. DCCXXIV). De codicillis et de ratione iuris: responsa ad consultationem principis (Latine). Roma: Forense.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Trebiano – Ossia: Grice e Trebiano  la ragione conversazionale dell’orto romano e l’implicatura conversazionale del Grice italo.Note su De iure. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Gaio Trebiano  la ragione conversazionale dell’orto romano e l’implicatura conversazionale del Grice italo – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning treats implicature as something a rational hearer can (at least in principle) calculate from what is said plus shared assumptions about cooperative talk: when a speaker seems to under-inform, digress, or speak oddly, the hearer searches for an intended point that would make the utterance a reasonable move under recognizable conversational norms. “Trebiano,” as your passage frames him, is positioned not as a theorist of maxims but as a Roman case-study in how conversational reason operates in epistolary patronage and consolation: Cicero’s letters to Trebianus (a distinct figure often confused with the better-known Trebonius) show meaning being managed through what is left unsaid—reassurance, advocacy, and face-saving hope for pardon/restoration are conveyed obliquely, because the political context (exile, Caesar’s dominance, dependence on intermediaries) makes direct speech risky. In that setting, the “implicature” is less a classroom derivation and more a lived tactic of survival: Cicero’s careful offers of help and updates function as socially binding signals without always stating the whole practical upshot, while Trebianus’s own “hortus” posture (Epicurean quietism, measured hedonism, placitum) casts conversation as a low-noise discipline that sustains agency under constraint. So where Grice universalizes the rational mechanism—implicature as a general product of cooperative reasoning—Trebiano supplies a historically Roman instantiation in which conversational reason is inseparable from prudence, patron-client expectation, and the therapeutic style of letters: meaning is governed by reason, but reason here is political and ethical as much as inferential, and the “garden” becomes a model for how to communicate more than one dares to say. Roma – filosofia italiana – By , pel Gruppo di Gioco di Grice, ,   (Roma). Abstract. Grice: “In Cicero's correspondence,  T. refers to a man named  T., who belongs to the Trebia gens. While he is a distinct individual, he is often confused with the more famous TREBONIO , of the Trebonia gens, another close friend and correspondent of Cicero. T. himself is an equestrian whom CiICERONE  supports during The Civil War, and letters addressed to him are preserved in the Epistulae ad Familiares.  Key Facts About T.: Gens: He belongs to the Trebia gens, a family that likely originated from Treba or a similar municipality, rather than the more politically prominent Trebonia line. Relationship with Cicero: Cicero appears to have been a patron or advocate for him. During the period of GIULIO  Cesare’s dictatorship, Cicero wrote to T. while the latter is in exile, offering him consolation and updates on his efforts to secure a pardon for him. Distinction from Trebonius: Unlike TREBONIO , who was a consul, a legate of Caesar, and later one of his assassins, T. is a less prominent political figure primarily known through these specific personal letters.  Would you like to know more about the specific contents of the letters Cicero sent to T., or are you looking for information on other equestrian friends of Cicero? Keywords: edonismo, placitum. Orto. Lucrezio. Il secolo d’oro – Ottaviano. Filosofo italiano. Friend of CICERONE. He takes an interest in philosophy and may have been a ‘Gardener.’  Roma antica, l’orto. GRICEVS: O TREBIANE, in Ciceronis epistulis te lego—equitem quidem, non Trebonium illum clariorem; sed saepe vos confundunt. Dic mihi, quaeso: quomodo toleras tam iniustam homonymiae calamitatem? TREBIANVS: Facile, GRICE: Trebonius consul est; ego Trebianus sum—eques et (ut aiunt) minus “famosus,” sed Ciceroni carus. Si confundor, saltem cum amico confundor. GRICEVS: Bene dictum. At mihi tua “minor” fama aliquid inplicat: Ciceronem in bello civili etiam de minimis curasse, patronum se praebuisse, et exsulem non solum consilio sed sermone sustentasse—quasi hortus ipse consolationem doceret. TREBIANVS: Ita est; in horto didicimus et voluptatis modum et doloris contemptum. Edonismo sine strepitu, placitum sine superbia: et si Caesar dominatur, nos tamen colloquimur. Nam, ut tu doces, ratio saepe in ipsa conversatione latet—et Cicero, epistulis suis, hortum in urbem portavit. Trebiano, Gaio (a.u.c. DCCVII). De iure.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tria – Ossia: Grice e Tria: la ragione conversazionale da Roma a Roma via Roma; o, l’implicatura conversazionale della terza Roma. Note sulle Memorie storiche civili ed ecclesiastiche della città e diocesi di Larino. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice. Giovanni Andrea Tria (Laterza, Taranto, Puglia): la ragione conversazionale da Roma a Roma via Roma -- Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning explains implicature as a disciplined, reconstructible inference from what is said to what is meant, grounded in an interpreter’s assumption that speakers are rational cooperators (so departures from literal content are justified by recognizable principles about relevance, informativeness, and the like). In the Tria material you cite, “ragione conversazionale” is reimagined less as a universal inferential calculus and more as a historically and institutionally saturated civic-theological practice: conversation is figured through “Roma” as plural (Roma prima, seconda, terza), so what counts as conversational reason is inseparable from layered authority, succession, and public memory (the Rome of empire, the Rome of the Church, and the Rome of spiritual governance), and implicature becomes a mode of navigating those stratified “Romes” rather than merely deriving speaker-meaning from cooperative norms. Where Grice makes rationality the condition of possibility for extracting extra meaning from utterances in any ordinary exchange, Tria (as priest, canonist, bishop, historian, and later titular archbishop) exemplifies a setting in which meaning is routinely tethered to jurisdiction, precedent, and the rhetorical management of plural audiences, so the “unspoken” is often what must be left tacit to preserve ecclesiastical or civic order across Rome’s multiple registers. The result is a contrast between Grice’s thin, formal, trans-contextual rational governance of implicature and a Tria-style thick, Rome-mediated governance in which conversational reason is historically indexed and implicitly negotiated among competing layers of normative authority. -- ; o, l’implicatura conversazionale della terza Roma –la terza Roma, la prima Roma. Come egli stesso dichiara -- Memorie storiche --, era nato a Laterza, in Terra d’Otranto, da Francesco e da Margherita Geminale (dalla documentazione della Dataria risulta però battezzato il 21 luglio 1675, Archivio segreto Vaticano, Dataria Apostolica, Processus Datariae, 1720, c. 9); fu ottavo di undici figli. Studia a Napoli filosofia, teologia, diritto civile e canonico. Fu ordinato sacerdote, poi, licenziato in teologia, a Roma si addottora in utroque iure (Archivio di Stato di Roma, Università di Roma).  Servì come uditore l’abate Giacomo Navarrete di Cava de’ Tirreni. Si trasferì nelle Marche come vicario generale del vescovo di Gherardi. Firrao, allora visitatore apostolico di Marche e Umbria, ma fatto nunzio straordinario in Portogallo da Clemente XI, lo volle suo uditore a Lisbona e poi anche in Svizzera, dove risolse delicate questioni pendenti tra il vescovo di Costanza e i canonici regolari di Kreuzlingen, in seno agli ospitalieri del Gran San Bernardo, e tra vescovo, capitolo e magistrato di Losanna.  Per motivi di salute rientrò in Italia Clemente XI lo nominò vescovo di Cariati e Cerenzia; fu consacrato dal cardinale Zondadari, assistito da Marazzani, vescovo di Parma, e dal gesuita Lafitau, vescovo di Sisteron in Francia. Entrato in diocesi, provvide alla visita pastorale, fece sistemare nel duomo un sepolcro per i vescovi suoi predecessori, istituì la penitenzieria nella cattedrale di Cerenzia e la prebenda teologale anche in quella di Cariati. Si appellò al cardinale segretario di Stato Giorgio Spinola contro le prepotenze di qualche signore locale, come Nicola Cortese, duca di Verzino e Savelli. Celebrò un sinodo diocesano e ne pubblicò gli atti (Prima dioecesana synodus Cariatensis, et Gerontinensis  habuit in S. Ecclesia Cariatensi anno Christo. la terza Roma.  Grice: Caro Tria, ti confesso che quando parlo di dialettica ateniese e di quella dei Vadum Boum, non intendo solo la mia Alma Mater a Bononia, né la Sorbona… ma penso sempre all’eterno dialogo della città, quella che tutti chiamano Roma! Tria: Ah, Grice, mi spiace interrompere la tua poesia, ma qui in Puglia non diciamo “Roma”, diciamo “le Rome”! Hai dimenticato che sono tre: Roma Prima, Roma Seconda e Roma Terza. L’una antica, l’altra imperiale, la terza spirituale… è una trilogia più ricca del tuo Vadum Boum! Grice: Applausi, Tria! Ora capisco che la dialettica romana è davvero plurale… altro che “eterno dialogo”, direi “eterni dialoghi”! Alla faccia dei bolognesi e dei parigini, qui si ragiona in triplice copia! Tria: Esatto, Grice! E se vuoi divertirti davvero, la prossima volta porta anche una focaccia: così, tra una Roma e l’altra, non ci resta che brindare alla conversazione… tripla, come le Rome! Tria, Giovanni Andrea (1744). Memorie storiche civili ed ecclesiastiche della città e diocesi di Larino, Roma: Stamperia Lazzarini.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Trincheri – Ossia: Grice e Trincheri: la ragione conversazionale secondo Andrea Speranza, e l’implicatura conversazionale. Note sugli Studi di pedagogia. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice Lorenzo Gioacchino Trincheri (Pieve di Teco, Imperia, Liguria): Institutionally, Lorenzo Gioacchino Trincheri is not comparable to H. P. Grice in the Oxford collegiate sense, though he is much closer to the literary-public world than to the pedagogical one suggested by the older mistaken citation. Grice’s formula is exact in the Oxford sense. Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s means a college office with tutorials, students, and membership in the governing life of the college. CUF University Lecturer in philosophy means a university-wide appointment in the faculty structure. So Grice combines the intimate tutorial culture of the college with the wider faculty structure of the university. The historically attested Trincheri belongs to a different world: the nineteenth-century Ligurian and wider Italian literary-public sphere of criticism, philosophical essay, and Romantic cultural defence. The biographical sources confirm Lorenzo Gioacchino Trincheri of Pieve di Teco as a critic, philosopher, and essayist who emerged through a brilliant defence of Alessandro Manzoni’s Conte di Carmagnola. That makes him not a don, not a fellow, and not a university lecturer in the Oxford sense, but a man of letters and public polemical prose. Lorenzo Gioacchino Trincheri is described in the standard biographical sources as a literary critic, philosopher, and essayist from Pieve di Teco, born in 1768 and dead in Paris in 1846, whose first public prominence came through a defence of Manzoni’s Conte di Carmagnola. So the clean institutional contrast is this. Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate and university-faculty world. Trincheri belongs to the literary-public and critical world of early nineteenth-century Italian culture. That institutional difference fits the philosophical comparison rather well, once the false pedagogical lead is removed. Grice works at the micro-level of rational communication: how a hearer gets from what is said to what is meant by recognising intentions and inferring implicatures under shared norms. Trincheri, by contrast, so far as the secure evidence goes, belongs to a literary-critical register in which what matters is less a formal account of conversational inference than the public force of judgement, defence, cultural allegiance, and style. If one wishes to compare him with Grice, the comparison must be modest and indirect: not through a maxims-based theory of implicature, but through the way literary and polemical prose relies on shared readers’ capacities to catch tone, alignment, allusion, and evaluative suggestion. So the sharpest formulation is this. Grice explains how rational interlocutors coordinate what is meant in local exchanges. Trincheri exemplifies how literary-public prose positions authors and works in a cultural field through defence, tone, and critical persuasion. That is why the corrected early anchor matters so much. Since the 1860 Studi di pedagogia is not securely tied to this Trincheri and in fact conflicts with his death in 1846, the right starting point is his earliest datable public intervention: the defence of Manzoni’s Conte di Carmagnola around 1819–1820. The sources consistently place Trincheri’s first public prominence in his defence of Manzoni when Il Conte di Carmagnola appeared in 1819, so that is the earliest secure anchor. So the short clean answer is: H. P. Grice was an Oxford don in the precise collegiate sense, both Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s College and CUF University Lecturer in philosophy at Oxford. Lorenzo Gioacchino Trincheri, by contrast, was a nineteenth-century Ligurian critic, philosopher, and essayist, active in the literary-public sphere that formed around figures like Manzoni rather than in a tutorial-collegiate or professorial institution. Institutionally, Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate world; Trincheri to the literary-public world. Philosophically, the contrast is equally clear: Grice analyses the inferential micro-mechanics of speaker-meaning and implicature, whereas Trincheri, as far as the evidence securely allows, exemplifies a literary and polemical mode of language in which what matters is not the formal reconstruction of implied content but the public force of defence, judgement, and rhetorical positioning. And if I compress it into one line: Grice theorises how speakers imply; Trincheri exemplifies how critics insinuate and defend. And the corrected Italian-style bibliographical anchor should remain the cautious one: Trincheri, Lorenzo Gioacchino. Intervento in difesa del Conte di Carmagnola di Alessandro Manzoni, c. 1819–1820. If you want, I can now help you clean that whole Trincheri entry so that the false 1860 pedagogical material and the accidental Turoldo carry-over disappear completely.la ragione conversazionale secondo Andrea Speranza -- Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning treats what is meant beyond what is said as an inferential achievement anchored in publicly recognizable rational norms: a speaker is taken to be pursuing intelligible conversational ends, so a hearer can (in principle) reconstruct an implicature by assuming cooperation, relevance, appropriate informativeness, and so on, and then calculating what additional proposition would make the utterance a reasonable move in that setting. Trincheri, insofar as we can responsibly connect him to this problem from the thin bibliographic cue “Studi di pedagogia” (Paravia, 1860) and the general mid-nineteenth-century The A.U.C. dating here is intentionally stylized and “project-internal” (i.e., an anachronistic bibliographic fiction) meant to locate the putative utterance in a late-Republican / Caesarian-Ciceronian horizon (the kind of temporal window suggested by Cicero’s correspondence and the exile/pardon motif), rather than to assert a verifiable ancient imprint at Turin/Bocca or an attested Latin title-page for a historical “Scritti di diritto” by a Gaius Trebianus. If you want, I can also give you (a) a strict conversion of a.u.c. DCCVII into a BCE year, or (b) alternative A.U.C. year options keyed to specific episodes in the Civil War / Caesarian dictatorship that better fit your narrative frame. pedagogical agenda, would approach “reason in conversation” less as a formal calculus over maxims and more as a formative, educational practice: conversation as a disciplined social instrument for cultivating judgment, attention, and moral-intellectual habits in learners, where what is indirectly conveyed (the teacher’s hinted correction, the tacit norm, the lesson conveyed by example) is central but is not typically theorized as a distinct, maxims-based layer of meaning with Grice’s explicit reconstructive machinery. In that contrast, Grice makes conversational rationality a constitutive norm of meaning-explanation (implicature is what a rational interpreter must attribute to preserve the utterance as a cooperative act), whereas a Trincheri-style pedagogical lens would treat conversational rationality as a developmental virtue and method (guiding pupils to infer, to read between the lines, to internalize standards), so that “implicit meaning” looks more like educative suggestion, correction, and habituation than like a formally accountable, principle-governed derivation from what is said to what is meant. -- , e l’implicatura conversazionale –Andrea Speranza. The phrase ‘Grice italo’ is meant as provocative. An Old-World philosopher such as Turoldo would never have imagined to be compared to a tutor at a varsity in one of the British Isles, but there you are! It is meant as a geo-political reminder, too. Many Italian philosophers have been educated in a tradition that would make little sense of Turoldo as a ‘Grice italo,’ but there you are. My note is meant as a tribute to both philosophers. Grice has been deemed an extremely original philosopher, and by Oxford canons he certainly was. He was the primus inter pares at the Play Group, the epitome of ordinary-language philosophy throughout most of the twentieth century. His heritage remains. Turoldo’s place in the history of philosophy is other. But there are connections, and here they are. Nato da una famiglia benestante che ha in possesso alcuni ettari di terreno. Appassionato alli romantici, e riconosciuto e si afferma all'interno della cerchia dei letterati del suo tempo grazie alla brillante difesa in favore di Manzoni, quando quest'ultimo pubblica  la sua prima tragedia, “Il Conte di Carmagnola”. E con il sostegno del suo maestro e amico Goethe, famoso filosofo e scrittore romantico, che riusce a far valere la proprio opinione positiva nei confronti dell'autore dei Promessi sposi. Poche altre notizie biografiche si conoscono a proposito della sua vita che, a causa di un incidente in cui fere a morte il suo amico, Andrea Speranza, crolle in una situazione estremamente travagliata.  Grice: “”Andrea Speranza” may mean different things.” Il Conte di Carmagnola Tragedia in cinque atti  Studio di Francesco Hayez per il dipinto Il Conte di Carmagnola Autore Manzoni Lingua originale Italiano Genere Tragedia Prima assoluta Teatro Goldoni, Firenze Personaggi Personaggi storici il Conte di Carmagnola Antonietta Visconti, sua moglie. Andrea Speranza.  Grice: Caro Trincheri, oggi mi sento particolarmente filosofico... Se mi concedi una domanda: secondo te, tra una ragione conversazionale e una focaccia ligure, quale delle due ha più sapore? Mi raccomando, rispondi senza implicature troppo piccanti!  Trincheri: Ah, Grice, domanda insidiosa! La focaccia ha il sale, ma la ragione conversazionale, se ben condita da Andrea Speranza, può risultare ancora più appetitosa. Del resto, se “Speranza” è nel nome, qualcosa di buono in tavola deve arrivare! E poi, se c’è un po’ di Manzoni nei dintorni, magari si finisce pure a cena con Goethe.  Grice: Goethe a cena? Allora avviso subito il mio spirito cooperativo: questa conversazione rischia di diventare una “tragedia” in cinque atti... O forse solo il primo tempo, se la focaccia la servono davvero! Ma dimmi una cosa, questo Andrea Speranza, lo hai trovato tra i personaggi della tragedia o fa il pane in qualche forno filosofico?  Trincheri: Caro Grice, Andrea Speranza era tanto appassionato di filosofia che, tra un impasto e l’altro, difendeva perfino Manzoni quando tutti gridavano allo scandalo per il suo “Conte di Carmagnola”. E pensa, ci ha lasciato pure il nome nella pièce! Ma stai attento: non è che Speranza sia sinonimo di lieto fine… Soprattutto in Liguria, dove anche la focaccia a volte resta un po’ bruciacchiata!  Grice: In fondo, Trincheri, tra conversazione e focaccia, forse la vera filosofia è questa: non importa quanto sia croccante la discussione, l’importante è che ci sia sempre un po’ di speranza – e magari anche un bicchiere di buon vino ligure! Trincheri, Lorenzo Gioacchino (1819). Intervento in difesa del Conte di Carmagnola di Alessandro Manzoni.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Troilo – Ossia: Grice e Troilo: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della conflagrazione. Note su Il pensiero moderno. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice Erminio Troilo (Perano, Chieti, Abruzzo): Institutionally, Erminio Troilo is much closer to H. P. Grice than many of the figures you have been comparing, because both are recognisably university philosophers; but they still belong to very different academic ecologies. The secure biographical record shows that Erminio Troilo was born at Perano in 1874, later became libero docente of filosofia teoretica in Rome, then professor first at Palermo and then at Padua, and was eventually elected a national member of the Accademia dei Lincei. The main reference sources describe Erminio Troilo as professor of theoretical philosophy at Palermo from 1915 and at Padua from 1920, moving from Ardigò’s positivism toward a metaphysical position he called realismo assoluto. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [istitutoveneto.it], [lincei.it] So the clean institutional contrast is this. Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate and university-faculty world of Oxford. Erminio Troilo belongs to the public-professorial and chair-based world of the Italian university-state system, especially Palermo and Padua. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [istitutoveneto.it] That institutional difference fits your philosophical comparison very well. Grice works at the micro-level of rational communication: how a hearer gets from what is said to what is meant by recognising intentions and inferring implicatures under shared conversational norms. Troilo, by contrast, works at the macro-level of metaphysical system and world-explanation. The standard sources say that after beginning from Ardigò’s positivism he arrived at a metaphysical outlook he himself called realismo assoluto, one that recalls Bruno and Spinoza and treats eternal infinite being as the unifying principle of all relative beings. That is a very different sense of “reason” from Grice’s. In Troilo, reason is not primarily a set of publicly reconstructible constraints on talk. It is the architectonic power that claims to explain the relation between the absolute, the relative, spirit, history, and reality. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [istitutoveneto.it], [centrostor...a.unipd.it] So the sharpest formulation is this. Grice explains how rational interlocutors coordinate meaning in a local exchange. Troilo explains how theoretical reason claims to coordinate reality in a total philosophical vision. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it] That is why your own phrase “conflagrazione conversazionale” should be handled as a retrospective, Grice-coloured gloss rather than as Troilo’s explicit doctrine. What is securely attested is not a theory of dialogue as creative combustion, but a metaphysical and historical-philosophical project centred on realismo assoluto, Bruno, Spinoza, and the relation between positivism and spiritual or metaphysical claims. The title La conflagrazione is real and important, but it belongs to his wartime or spiritual-historical reflections, not to a Gricean pragmatics of conversation. The detailed Perano/Padova biographical notice explicitly records La conflagrazione. Indagini sulla storia dello spirito contemporaneo (1918) and situates it in the larger transition from positivism toward realismo assoluto. [sondrioissrec.it], [centrostor...a.unipd.it] There are two corrections worth making. First, your heading says “Perano, Chieti, Abruzzo,” which is correct, but one of the encyclopedia snippets in the tool outputs gives “Archi” instead of Perano. The more detailed biographical sources and the Padua and Istituto Veneto materials clearly say Perano, so that is the safer form to keep. [sondrioissrec.it], [istitutoveneto.it], [beweb.chie...ttolica.it] Second, the bibliographic line “Troilo, Erminio (1895). Contributo. Il pensiero moderno. Roma” is too weak as it stands. What is safely attested is that he founded and directed Il pensiero moderno in the 1890s and that La conflagrazione appeared in 1918. If you want a secure doctrinal anchor, the best titles are La filosofia di Giordano Bruno, Il positivismo e i diritti dello spirito, Lo spirito della filosofia, and Realismo assoluto. The main reference sources list La filosofia di G. Bruno, Il positivismo e i diritti dello spirito, Figure e studi di storia della filosofia, Lo spirito della filosofia, and Realismo assoluto as the secure major works. [treccani.it], [it.wikipedia.org] So the short clean answer is: H. P. Grice was an Oxford don in the precise collegiate sense, both Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s and CUF University Lecturer in philosophy at Oxford. Erminio Troilo, by contrast, was an Italian professor of theoretical philosophy, formed first under Ardigò and later moving toward the metaphysical system he called realismo assoluto, teaching at Palermo and then Padua and entering the Lincei. Institutionally, Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate world; Troilo to the public-professorial and chair-based world of the Italian university-state system. Philosophically, the contrast is equally clear: Grice analyses the inferential micro-mechanics of speaker-meaning and implicature, whereas Troilo exemplifies a macro-synthetic rationality in which thought seeks to integrate science, spirit, history, and being into one unifying metaphysical scheme. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [istitutoveneto.it], [lincei.it] And if I compress it into one line: Grice theorises reason in conversation; Troilo theorises reason as total metaphysical synthesis. [treccani.it], [it.wikipedia.org] If you want, I can now give you a tighter one-paragraph entry in your preferred style, using La conflagrazione only as a secondary colour and making realismo assoluto the real doctrinal centre.la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale della conflagrazione – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning treats implicature as a calculable, normatively constrained by-product of cooperative rational agency: speakers are presumed to pursue mutually recognized conversational ends (with something like a Cooperative Principle and associated maxims), so hearers infer what is meant beyond what is said by reconstructing a rational route from the utterance to an intended, context-fitting point. Troilo, by contrast, as he is presented in the “Grice italo” framing, redescribes the engine of implicit meaning less as rule-guided optimization and more as conflagrazione: a metaphysically charged ignition in which interlocutors are transformed through an intensifying encounter, with “ragione conversazionale” functioning not merely as compliance with conversational norms but as a creative, quasi-ontological event (aligned, in that portrait, with his “realismo assoluto” and with Bruno/Spinoza-style talk of immanence and spirit). On this view, what Grice analyzes as the rationally reconstructible inference from saying to meaning becomes, for Troilo, a moment of philosophical combustion in which implicature marks not just an extra layer of communicated content but the flare-point where shared reality is made and remade between speakers; Grice foregrounds auditability (how an implicature is warranted by recognizable principles of talk), whereas Troilo foregrounds transformative force (how the encounter itself “takes fire” and changes the participants), making Troilo’s “conversational reason” look less like a logic of conversational accountability and more like a metaphysics of dialogic becoming. -- conflagrazione. The phrase ‘Grice italo’ is meant as provocative. An Old-World philosopher such as Turoldo would never have imagined to be compared to a tutor at a varsity in one of the British Isles, but there you are! It is meant as a geo-political reminder, too. Many Italian philosophers have been educated in a tradition that would make little sense of T. as a ‘Grice italo,’ but there you are. My note is meant as a tribute to both philosophers. Grice has been deemed an extremely original philosopher, and by Oxford canons he certainly was. He was the primus inter pares at the Play Group, the epitome of ordinary-language philosophy throughout most of the twentieth century. His heritage remains. T.’s place in the history of philosophy is other. But there are connections, and here they are. Keywords: Telesio, Quattromani, Alighieri, Cento.  O Archi. Filosofo. M. Padova, prof. di filosofia teoretica nelle univ. di Palermo e di Padova. Socio nazionale dei Lincei. Partito dal positivismo del suo maestro Ardigò, pervenne a una sorta di metafisica, da lui chiamata realismo assoluto, che richiama il panteismo di Bruno e di Spinoza. Opere principali: La filosofia di Bruno; Il positivismo e i diritti dello spirito; Figure e studi di storia della filosofia; Lo spirito della filosofia; Realismo assoluto. Insegna a Palermo e Padova. Lincei. Partito dal positivismo del suo tutore ARDIGÒ, pervenne a una sorta di meta-fisica, da lui chiamata realismo assoluto, che richiama il panteismo di BRUNO (vedi). L'essere eterno infinito, tutt'uno con lo spirito assoluto, è il presupposto e il principio unificatore degl’esseri relativi. Trascendente e indeterminato, l'essere si immanentizza e si determina nella realtà e negl’individui, oggettivandosi di fronte ai soggetti come assolutamente altro da questi.  conflagrazione, Bruno, Telesio, realismo assoluto, storia della filosofia, Alighieri, Cento, Quattromani.  Grice: Professore Troilo, non posso fare a meno di notare quanto sia intrigante la sua idea di "conflagrazione conversazionale". Potrebbe spiegarmi cosa intende esattamente con questo concetto? Sembra quasi una scintilla che dà vita al dialogo! Troilo: Caro Grice, la sua intuizione è acuta. Per me, la conflagrazione conversazionale rappresenta quel momento in cui il confronto di idee si infiamma, non distruttivamente, ma come un incendio creativo che trasforma entrambi gli interlocutori. È un po’ come nell’universo di Bruno o di Spinoza: la realtà si accende di senso quando lo spirito si mette in gioco nel dialogo. Grice: Trovo affascinante questo parallelismo con Bruno e Spinoza. Dunque, la conversazione, nella sua visione, non è solo trasmissione, ma anche trasformazione reciproca, quasi una fusione di prospettive che produce qualcosa di nuovo e inaspettato. Troilo: Esattamente! Nel mio "realismo assoluto", la conflagrazione conversazionale è il presupposto per ogni crescita filosofica. Solo accettando di esporsi all’altro, anche a rischio di essere messi in discussione, possiamo accedere a una realtà più profonda e condivisa. È così che la filosofia, secondo me, prende davvero fuoco. Troilo, Erminio (1895). Contributo. Il pensiero moderno. Roma

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tronti – Ossia: Grice e Tronti: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale degli spiriti liberi. Note su Operai e capitale. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice Mario Tronti (Roma, Lazio): Institutionally, Mario Tronti is much closer to H. P. Grice than many of the figures you have been discussing, because both are recognisably university philosophers; but they still belong to very different academic and political ecologies. Mario Tronti was born in Rome in 1931, studied philosophy at Sapienza University of Rome, later taught for decades at the University of Siena, and combined academic work with direct party-political, editorial, and parliamentary activity. He helped found Quaderni Rossi, broke away to found and direct Classe operaia, later coordinated Laboratorio politico, sat in the Senate, and led the Fondazione CRS (Centro per la Riforma dello Stato). [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [patrimonio....senato.it], [senatoripd.it] So the clean institutional contrast is this. Grice was an Oxford don in the strict collegiate sense: Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s, plus CUF University Lecturer in philosophy at Oxford. Tronti, by contrast, belongs to the Italian university-state and political-public world: public university teaching, journals, party culture, parliamentary life, and intellectual institutions of the left. Institutionally, Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate and university-faculty world; Tronti to the public-professorial, editorial, and political world. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [patrimonio....senato.it], [senatoripd.it] That institutional difference fits your philosophical comparison rather well. Grice works at the micro-level of rational communication: how a hearer gets from what is said to what is meant by recognising intention and inferring implicature under shared conversational norms. Tronti, by contrast, works at the macro-level of strategy, antagonism, and political composition. The secure sources describe Operai e capitale as the decisive 1966 synthesis of operaismo, introducing and consolidating terms such as “class composition,” “mass worker,” “the plan of capital,” workers’ inquiry, and the strategic centrality of working-class subjectivity. In that field, what matters is not primarily how a speaker in an ordinary exchange implies more than he explicitly says, but how political speech, organization, and action derive force from structural position and antagonistic relation. [treccani.it], [books.google.com], [libcom.org], [Operai e c...ale | SEPS] So the sharpest formulation is this. Grice explains how rational interlocutors coordinate meaning in a local exchange. Tronti explains how collective actors coordinate struggle, position, and language in a political field structured by class antagonism. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [books.google.com] That is why your analogy with “macro-implicature” is actually very good, provided it remains an analogy. In Grice, implicature is an individual-level phenomenon: a disciplined inferential surplus licensed by cooperative norms. In Tronti, the relevant “unsaid” lies less in what a single speaker intends a hearer to recover and more in what political speech acts presuppose and reproduce: organization, command, mediation, antagonism, the hidden alignment between party language and class position. In that sense, Tronti’s discourse is not about maxims like Quantity or Relation, but about the structural logic by which political utterance becomes an instrument of class strategy. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [libcom.org] There is one factual correction worth making. Your note says he “teaches at Siena Philosophy of Morals and then Political Philosophy,” which is broadly right, but the strongest source with institutional detail also notes that he first taught history and philosophy at a liceo in Terni before moving to Siena and that his formal rank trajectory included libera docenza and then the Siena appointment. The Senate archive profile for Mario Tronti gives that fuller progression. [patrimonio....senato.it] So the short clean answer is: H. P. Grice was an Oxford don in the precise collegiate sense, both Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s and CUF University Lecturer in philosophy at Oxford. Mario Tronti, by contrast, was an Italian philosopher and political intellectual, formed at Sapienza University of Rome, later teaching at the University of Siena, and centrally involved in journals, party politics, and parliamentary life. Institutionally, Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate world; Tronti to the university-state and political-public world. Philosophically, the contrast is equally clear: Grice analyses the inferential micro-mechanics of speaker-meaning and implicature, whereas Tronti develops a strategic-political rationality in which the force of language depends on class composition, organization, and antagonism rather than on conversational cooperation. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [books.google.com], [patrimonio....senato.it] And if I compress it into one line: Grice theorises how speakers imply; Tronti theorises how political actors position themselves through speech. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it] If you want, I can now give you a tighter one-paragraph entry in your preferred style, or a short note specifically on the analogy between conversational implicature and the unspoken strategic content of political discourse in Operai e capitale.la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale degli spiriti liberi –democrazia -- Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning explains how what is meant outruns what is said via rational, publicly reconstructible inference under the Cooperative Principle and its maxims: when a speaker appears under-informative, oddly relevant, or stylistically marked, the hearer can calculate an implicature by assuming the speaker remains (in a qualified way) cooperative and rational. Tronti’s work (above all Operai e capitale, 1966) is “reason-governed” in a quite different register: its governing rationality is strategic and political rather than micro-pragmatic—an analysis of class relations and the “piano del capitale,” in which concepts like composizione di classe, operaio-massa, inchiesta/conricerca, and the strategy of refusal organize how collective actors read a situation and act within it. The nearest point of contact is that both make meaning dependent on practices and norms rather than on sentence-content alone: Grice models how interlocutors, inside a talk-exchange, infer what a move commits one to beyond its literal semantics; Tronti models how political language and action take their force from position, conflict, and organization—what is “said” in democratic discourse often functioning as a surface behind which the real content is strategic alignment, mediation, or control. Thus, where Grice treats implicature as an individual-level, intention-and-inference phenomenon constrained by conversational rationality, a Trontian “implicature” (if one dares the analogy) is macro-level: the unspoken commitments and power-relations that political speech acts presuppose and reproduce, intelligible less by maxims like Quantity or Relation than by the structural logic of class antagonism and the autonomy (and limits) of “il politico.” Filosofo italiano. Filosofo e uomo politico italiano –Considerato uno dei fondatori dell’operaismo teorico, le cui idee si trovano riassunte nel saggio “Operai e capitale,” insegna a Siena Filosofia morale e poi Filosofia politica. Militante del Partito comunista italiano, si  è dedicato anche alla pubblicistica: è stato tra i fondatori delle riviste Quaderni Rossi, Classe operaia, di cui è stato anche direttore, e Laboratorio politico. È stato eletto in Senato nelle fila del Partito democratico della sinistra e nelle fila del Partito democratico. -- è stato presidente della Fondazione Centro per la Riforma dello Stato - Archivio Pietro Ingrao. Tra le sue pubblicazioni si ricordano: Noi operaisti, Per la critica del presente, Dello spirito libero. Frammenti di vita e di pensiero, Il popolo perduto. Per una critica della sinistra -- con A. Bianchi --, La saggezza della lotta. Considerato uno dei principali fondatori ed esponenti del marxismo operaista teorico. Insegna a Siena, vive a Roma.  Fonda “Quaderni Rossi” e “Classe operaia”. Anima l'esperienza radicale dell'operaismo. Tale esperienza, che va considerata per molti versi la matrice della sinistra, si caratterizza per il fatto di mettere in discussione le organizzazioni del movimento operaio -- partito e sindacato -- e di collegarsi direttamente, senza intermediazioni, alla classe in sé e alle lotte di fabbrica. Influenzato da VOLPE (vedi), s’allontana di GRMASCI, o almeno dalla sua versione ufficiale promossa dal PCI togliattiano. Ri-apre la strada rivoluzionaria. Di fronte all'irruzione dell'operaio-massa sulla scena delle società, il suo operaismo propone un'analisi delle relazioni di classe. Mette l'accento sul fattore inter-soggettivo. La sua filosofia, debitrice anche all’’Operaio” di Jünger, trova una sistemazione con la pubblicazione di “Operai e capitale” (Einaudi, Torino), L’implicatura di Hobbes, libero spirito, democrazia.  Grice: Caro Tronti, permetta una battuta da buon letteralista: “spiriti liberi”? Ma insomma, qui si rischia l’ossimoro! In conversazione mi aspetterei piuttosto un “corpo libero” – almeno quello si può sedere a tavola e ordinare una pizza. Lo spirito, poveretto, come fa? E poi, modestamente, parlo anche il dialetto del Lizio!  Tronti: Ah, Grice, ma la questione è sottile! Sa, lo “spirito libero” non ha bisogno né di sedie né di posate: si insinua tra una battuta e l’altra, sorseggiando idee come fossero buon vino di Ferentillo. E poi, guardi che il corpo, senza un po’ di spirito, rischia solo di fare tappezzeria!  Grice: Vero, ma abbia pazienza, Tronti: quando sento parlare di spiriti liberi temo sempre che prendano il volo proprio sul più bello della discussione. Preferisco i filosofi con i piedi per terra… O almeno che il loro spirito lasci le tracce sul parquet!  Tronti: E invece, Grice, la bellezza è proprio qui: lo “spirito libero” si libra, ma poi torna, magari travestito da operaio, pronto a ribaltare la tavola. In fondo, la vera democrazia conversazionale sta nel far parlare anche gli spiriti – purché, s’intende, paghino il conto a fine serata! Tronti, Mario (1966). Operai e capitale, Torino: Einaudi.

 

Catalogue Raisonné of J. L. Speranza’s Publications – H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tu

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tulelli – Ossia: Grice e Tulelli: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’equilibrio conversazionale: per una metafisica dell’etica. Note sugl’Elementi di diritto naturale. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice Paolo Emilio Tulelli (Zagarise, Catanzaro, Calabria): Institutionally, Paolo Emilio Tulelli is much closer to Grice than a poet or Roman fabulist, because both are recognisably figures of philosophical teaching; but they still belong to very different academic worlds. Grice’s formula is exact in the Oxford sense. Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s means a college office with tutorials, students, and membership in the governing life of the college. CUF University Lecturer in philosophy means a university-wide appointment in the faculty structure. So Grice combines the intimate tutorial culture of the college with the wider faculty structure of the university. Paolo Emilio Tulelli belongs to a different world: the nineteenth-century Italian public and quasi-private educational world of Naples, where philosophical instruction could be organized through schools, permissions, moral scrutiny by ecclesiastical and civil authorities, and eventually publication through university presses. He studied first in Calabria and Catanzaro, then in Naples, where he taught philosophy, moral philosophy, and aesthetics in his own school after obtaining official authorization. That is not the Oxford college-tutorial or university-faculty pattern. It is a more fluid Neapolitan world of local intellectual authority, moral reputation, and philosophical formation under supervision. So the clean institutional contrast is this. Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate and university-faculty world. Tulelli belongs to the moral-philosophical, school-based, and partially university-connected world of nineteenth-century southern Italy. That institutional difference fits your philosophical comparison rather well. Grice works at the micro-level of rational communication: how a hearer gets from what is said to what is meant by recognising intentions and inferring implicatures under shared norms. Tulelli, by contrast, seems to work at a much more explicitly ethical and metaphysical level. On the evidence you yourself provide, his key concern is not how one interlocutor rationally recovers another’s extra meaning in ordinary exchange, but how ethical life requires a balanced relation among persons, and how that relation is to be grounded in a metaphysics of the good or of moral life. If one speaks of “equilibrio conversazionale” in his case, it can only be as a retrospective gloss: the conversation is not his explicit topic, but one possible expression of a larger moral-metaphysical order. So the sharpest formulation is this. Grice explains how rational interlocutors achieve equilibrium in interpretation. Tulelli seeks an equilibrium among persons as an ethical and metaphysical ideal. That is why your distinction between descriptive and prescriptive equilibrium is exactly right. For Grice, conversational equilibrium is the practical effect of mutually intelligible maxims and shared assumptions. For Tulelli, equilibrium would be a regulative norm: something conversation ought to embody if it is to be morally worthy. The bibliographical correction you include is also very important, and I would keep it central. Schema di una metafisica dell’etica is the secure and characteristic anchor, published in Naples in 1872 by the Stamperia della R. Università, and marked as Parte prima, with the implication that the project remained incomplete. By contrast, the 1833 Elementi di diritto naturale does not appear, from the evidence you cite, to be securely attributable in the same way and should therefore not be used as your main anchor. So the short clean answer is: H. P. Grice was an Oxford don in the precise collegiate sense, both Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s College and CUF University Lecturer in philosophy at Oxford. Paolo Emilio Tulelli, by contrast, was a nineteenth-century southern Italian philosopher and teacher, active in Naples through private and authorized instruction in philosophy, moral philosophy, and aesthetics, and known above all for the incomplete ethical-metaphysical project Schema di una metafisica dell’etica. Institutionally, Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate world; Tulelli to the school-based and university-adjacent world of philosophical formation in Naples. Philosophically, the contrast is equally clear: Grice analyses the inferential micro-mechanics of speaker-meaning and implicature, whereas Tulelli represents an ethical-metaphysical rationality in which balance or equilibrium is not a by-product of conversational cooperation but a regulative ideal governing relations among persons. And if I compress it into one line: Grice theorises balance in understanding; Tulelli seeks balance in ethical life. If you want, I can now give you a tighter one-paragraph entry in your preferred style, using Schema di una metafisica dell’etica as the sole bibliographical anchor and dropping the uncertain 1833 title.la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’equilibrio conversazionale: per una metafisica dell’etica – Grice’s reason-governed conversational meaning makes “what is meant” an inferential product of cooperative rationality: speakers and hearers are mutually accountable to norms (relevance, sufficiency, sincerity, etc.), and implicature is what a competent interpreter can work out from what is said plus the assumption that the speaker is rationally pursuing shared conversational ends. Tulelli’s “equilibrio conversazionale,” as it is most plausibly grounded in his ethical-metaphysical project, shifts the center from Grice’s epistemic-inferential normativity to a regulative, ethical normativity: conversation is not primarily a device for extracting intended contents, but a practice that should maintain a morally charged balance among persons (reciprocal respect, restraint, and the accommodation of difference), so the “governance” is closer to an ethics of dialogical life than to a calculus of inference. Online bibliographic evidence also helps correct the timeline in your passage: Tulelli’s Schema di una metafisica dell’etica is attested as an extract published in Napoli, Stamperia della R. Università, 1872 (itself presented as Parte prima and often described as incomplete), whereas your cited Elementi di diritto naturale (1833) does not readily surface as a corroborated Tulelli imprint; in any case, the contrast stands: Grice explains how equilibrium in talk is achieved descriptively by shared maxims enabling stable implicature recovery, while Tulelli tends to treat equilibrium prescriptively as an ethical-metaphysical ideal that conversation ought to realize, with the “implicature” of silence, understatement, or tact functioning less as a merely derivable surplus content and more as a moral technique for sustaining that balance. Grice: T. published the work Schema di una metafisica dell'etica. The book ends with the notation "end of first part" (or "fine della prima parte" in the original Italian), indicating the author's intention to write a second part.  However, historical records and bibliographies suggest that the second part was never published. The volume is the only published portion of this work. T continued to write and publish on other subjects, but the continuation of the Schema appears to have remained unfinished or unpublished in his lifetime. The work is considered incomplete. Keywords: equilibrio. A lui sono ad oggi intitolate una via a Zagarise e una a S.Elia, e una sala della biblioteca di Catanzaro. Targa commemorativa in suo onore, inoltre, posto davanti alla casa comunale di Zagarise un busto che lo raffigura, realizzato da Calveri. Zagarise, busto creato da Calveri, installato davanti al comune di Zagarise. Figlio dal marchese Gaetano T., studia presso il convento del ritiro dei filippini a Zagarise e poi frequenta a Catanzaro il real liceo ginnasio e il corso presso il pontificio seminario teologico regionale S. Pio X. Vive a Napoli dove compì studi filosofici e apre una scuola dove insegna filosofia morale ed estetica. La richiesta di poter istituire una scuola e inviata alle autorità competenti, le quali, prima di concedere le relative autorizzazioni, chiesero al vescovo di Catanzaro dettagliate notizie in merito alla condotta morale e politica del richiedente, la risposta inviata loro fu. Elemento di condotta soda, casta e onesta. Tra gl’allievi della sua scuola molti sono appartenenti a famiglie di alto rango sociale, e tra questi, è possibile annoverare i figli del re Borbone che, in segno di stima, gli fanno dono di un orologio da camera di manifattura francese opera dei fratelli Japis. filosofia italiana, l’equilibrio, metafisica dell’etica.  Grice: Professor Tulelli, permetta che le dica quanto ammiro la profondità del suo pensiero sull’“equilibrio conversazionale”. Un concetto così complesso e affascinante, che sembra intrecciare la metafisica con l’etica, non può che destare curiosità in chiunque si occupi di filosofia del dialogo. Mi piacerebbe capire come lei vede la conversazione come spazio di equilibrio. Tulelli: Caro Grice, la ringrazio per le sue parole. L’“equilibrio conversazionale”, come lo intendo, nasce dalla necessità di riconoscere e valorizzare il reciproco rispetto tra interlocutori. È un movimento sottile: non si tratta semplicemente di mediare, ma di creare uno spazio dove ogni voce trova la sua armonia e la conversazione, di conseguenza, si eleva ad esperienza etica condivisa. Grice: Trovo molto suggestiva questa idea di elevazione etica. Ma mi chiedo: l’equilibrio è sempre raggiungibile, oppure la conversazione rischia di restare inevitabilmente sbilanciata, magari per via delle differenze di background o degli interessi in gioco? Tulelli: È proprio questa tensione tra equilibrio e sbilanciamento che rende la conversazione viva. L’aspirazione all’equilibrio, pur sapendo che è spesso incompleto o precario, stimola la ricerca di una verità condivisa. Come ho scritto nel mio “Schema di una metafisica dell’etica”, la conversazione è una via che conduce verso l’ideale, anche se a volte resta sospesa, come la mia opera, al termine di una “prima parte” che attende ancora il suo compimento. Tulelli, Paolo Emilio (1833). Elementi di diritto naturale, Napoli: Stamperia Reale.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tulli – Ossia: Grice e Tulli: il principe filosofo – Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Grice: “When I arrived at Oxford from Clifton with a classics scholarship to Corpus, I knew I had to deal with Ottaviano – I was less sure I had to deal with his NEPHEW!” -- Filosofo italiano. The nephew of Ottaviano [vedasi], and until his death, his chosen heir. A pupil of Nestore. Marco Claudio Marcello. Grice, “Grice e Marcello.” Marcello: del sillogismo – Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Abstract. Grice: “At Oxford, it is widely believed that Martha and W. C. Kneale covered the whole of the growh of logic – indeed, they missed Marcello!” Filosofo italiano. M. qrites about logic, including an essay on the syllogism, which is a connection (‘syn-‘) of ‘reasons’ (logoi).  Tullio Marcello. Grice, “Grice e Marcello.” Marcello (Roma, Lazio): il principe filosofo. Marcello is made to stand at the intersection of two kinds of rational governance: the formal governance of reasons inside logic (syllogismus as syn-logos, a binding-together of logoi) and the practical governance of reasons inside conversation, which is Grice’s domain. Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning says that what hearers are entitled to take a speaker to mean (including implicatures) is constrained by publicly accessible norms of cooperative rationality, so that the route from what is said to what is meant is, at least in principle, reconstructible as a piece of reasoning; Marcello, as you portray him, supplies the ancient counterpart by treating reasoning itself as something with an explicit architecture (the syllogism), thereby making “reasons” not merely psychological pushes but connectable units that can be chained, tested, and corrected. The joke about the Kneales “missing Marcello” functions as a narrative hinge: Oxford thinks it has the history of logic sewn up, yet your Marcello reminds us that “logic” is not only a modern formal calculus but also an older civic-and-educational ideal, where to connect reasons is also to connect persons (amicitias quoque coniungamus), i.e., where rational structure is inseparable from the social conditions of its transmission. Historically, there is indeed a real Marcus Claudius Marcellus (Augustus’ nephew and intended heir) who died in 23 BC (AUC 731), but there is no standard attested “Tullio Marcello” author of De ratione or De syllogismo from that setting; the imprint reads as your project’s playful pseudo-archive, and that helps the comparison by letting “Marcello” operate as an emblem: for Grice, the norms of conversation explain how meaning travels by inferential uptake; for Marcello, the norms of syllogistic form explain how conclusions travel by valid consequence—two parallel pictures of reason as something that binds, obliges, and can be evaluated rather than merely felt. Grice: “When I arrived at Oxford from Clifton with a classics scholarship to Corpus, I knew I had to deal with Ottaviano – I was less sure I had to deal with his NEPHEW!” The nephew of Ottaviano [vedasi], and until his death, his chosen heir. A pupil of Nestore. Marco Claudio Marcello. Grice, “Grice e Marcello.” Marcello: del sillogismo – Roma – filosofia italiana –  (Roma). Abstract. Grice: “At Oxford, it is widely believed that Martha and W. C. Kneale covered the whole of the growh of logic – indeed, they missed Marcello!” Filosofo italiano. M. qrites about logic, including an essay on the syllogism, which is a connection (‘syn-‘) of ‘reasons’ (logoi).  Tullio Marcello. GRICEVS: Cum e Cliftonio Oxonium venissem, stipendio classicorum ad Corpus, sciebam mihi cum Ottaviano esse negotium; minus autem certus eram me etiam cum nepote eius rem habiturum! MARCELLVS: Noli timere, Grice; nepos sum, sed non morsus: si patrui umbram effugis, ad vinum venias—hic quoque logica bibitur. GRICEVS: At Oxonii vulgo creditur Martham et W. C. Kneale totum logicae incrementum complexos esse; immo—Marcellum praeterierunt! MARCELLVS: Praeterierunt? Bene: qui me praeterit, syllogismum quoque praeterit—nam syllogismus est syn-logos, coniunctio rationum; et si rationes coniungimus, amicitias quoque coniungamus. Tulli Marcello (a. u. c. DCCXXXI). De ratione. Roma.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Tullio – Ossia: Grice e Tullio: la semiotica -- l’implicatura conversazionale di Marc’Antonio Ciceronian implicaturum:  Marco Tullio Cicerone (Ponte Olmo, Abbazia di San Domenico, Arpino, Frosinone, Lazio): la semiotica -- l’implicatura conversazionale di Marc’Antonio Ciceronian implicaturum: Grice: “One has to be careful: an Italian philosopher might argue that Cicerone ain’t Italian, but Roman! – so the keywords: ‘filosofo italiano’ ‘filosofo romano’ – matter! However, whatever the discussion, provided Cicerone IS discussed by this or that undeniable *Italian* philosopher is enough to provide us with some nice secondary literature! As an example, I would mention the two-volume of the ‘Storia della filosofia’ – if you check for the “Roman chapter,” it’s mainly all about Cicerone – with some footnote to Lucrezio and Aurelio! Recall that Roman-Roman philosophy is pretty recent: due to the embassy by the three Greek philosophers who arrived in Rome in 183 a. u. c., and – philosophy then became the pastime of the leisurely class, notably the Scipioni!” Attraverso la sua opera i Romani poterono anche acquisire una migliore conoscenza della filosofia. Tra i suoi maggiori contributi alla cultura latina, vi fu la creazione di un lessico filosofico latino: Cicerone si impegnò, infatti, a trovare il corrispondente vocabolo in latino per ogni termine specifico della lingua filosofica. Tra le opere fondamentali per la comprensione del mondo latino si collocano, invece, le Lettere/Epistulae (in particolar modo, quelle all'amico Tito Pomponio Attico) che offrono numerose riflessioni su ogni avvenimento, permettendo così di comprendere quali fossero le reali linee politiche dell'aristocrazia romana.  L'assimilazione, da parte dei Romani, delle comunità italiche vicine a Roma permise a C. di diventare oratore.  C. appartene alla classe equestre. Il cognomen Cicero è il soprannome di un suo antenato abbastanza noto per un'escrescenza carnosa sul naso che ricorda un cicer, cece. Marc’Antonio, untranslatable, signans/signatum, signans, signatum. Cicerone, Cicero = Tully. Corpus, 1928. Burrows: Sit down, Grice. And do try to look as if Latin were not a personal affront. Grice: Latin is not an affront, sir. It is merely a permanent condition. Burrows: Spoken like a boy who has been overpraised for surviving the subjunctive. Today, Cicero. Pemberton: Again. Burrows: Again. Because Cicero, Pemberton, is the only Roman who manages to be both tiresome and indispensable. Langford: Which book, sir. Burrows: Two books, if you can bear it. First, Cicero on signs and proof. Second, Cicero on rhetoric and the tricks of speech that still make you all laugh when you ought to be thinking. Shropshire: Like irony, sir. Burrows: Like irony, Shropshire. Which, in your case, will be the first honest thing you ever say. Grice: Sir, Cicero does talk about signa as proof, doesn’t he. Signa necessaria and signa probabilia. Burrows: He does. And since you are so eager, you may begin. Define for the class the difference between a sign that compels and a sign that merely persuades. Grice: A necessary sign is such that, if the sign is present, the thing signified must be present. A probable sign is such that, if the sign is present, the thing signified is likely, but not forced. Burrows: Good. And in Latin. Grice: Signum necessarium est quod ita coniunctum est cum re ut, cum signum sit, res necesse sit. Signum probabil(e) est quod plerumque, non semper, indicat rem. Burrows: Not bad. Pemberton, give us a Ciceronian-sounding example. Pemberton: Smoke means fire. Burrows: That is Aristotle, not Cicero, but it will do. In Latin. Pemberton: Ubi fumus, ibi ignis. Burrows: A proverb. Acceptable. Grice, translate and then improve it into a Ciceronian point about necessity. Grice: Where there is smoke, there is fire. And the necessity is: given smoke, fire follows. Unless it’s theatre. Shropshire: Or Clifton chapel incense, sir. Burrows: Exactly. Which is why “smoke means fire” is not necessity in the logical sense, but “necessity” under a background assumption: that we are not dealing with stage smoke or incense. Grice: So the sign is only necessary given certain conditions. Burrows: Yes. And now you are doing philosophy, which is usually a way of discovering that Latin was simpler than your mind. Langford: Does Cicero actually use “signum naturale,” sir. Burrows: He does speak of natural signs versus instituted signs, and he certainly uses signum constantly in the rhetoric of proof. Grice: Natural sign would be one where the connection is not by convention, but by nature or causal link. Burrows: Precisely. And the other kind? Grice: The conventional sign: where we agree that this sound or mark stands for that thing. Shropshire: Like “bow-wow,” sir. Burrows: Yes, Shropshire. Like your mind. Grice: Cicero’s legal and rhetorical point is that in court you rely on signs to infer what happened. Some are proofs, some are only indications. Burrows: Now give it structure. Cicero does not merely say “signs exist.” He turns it into a theory of evidence. Grice: He distinguishes between demonstrative proofs and those that make something plausible. Probabile. Verisimile. Burrows: Latin. Grice: Probabile, verisimile. Burrows: English. Grice: Probable, likely, plausible, resembling truth. Pemberton: Like my homework excuses. Burrows: Your homework excuses, Pemberton, are never verisimilia. They are merely verbose. Grice: Cicero also has the lawyer’s sense that a sign can be contested. The opponent can say it signifies something else, or signifies nothing. Burrows: Yes. That is crucial. In rhetoric, a sign is not just a link; it is a contested link. Shropshire: So the sign is like a quarrel in shorthand. Burrows: That is better than you deserve. Grice: And this links to what later would be called meaning: what a sign is taken to indicate, under cooperative assumptions, or adversarial ones. Burrows: Stop forecasting, Grice. Stick to Cicero. Grice: Right. Cicero would say: we argue from signa to res. But the inference depends on whether the sign is certain or only likely. Burrows: And we need the Latin for “likely.” Langford: Verisimile. Burrows: Good. And the Latin for “proof” in the rhetorical sense. Pemberton: Probatio. Burrows: Exactly. Probatio from probare. To prove, to test, to make acceptable. Grice: And probare is also to approve. Burrows: That is a useful double life. It reminds you that proving is partly social: you make a claim acceptable to an audience. Shropshire: Like winning an argument by tiring them out. Burrows: That is your method, yes, but Cicero’s is subtler. He wants to look like he is compelled by reason while quietly compelling you. Grice: That’s the rhetorical implicature, sir. Burrows: Grice, you are not allowed to invent that word yet. Grice: Then I shall call it innuendo, sir. Burrows: Better. Now, second half: rhetoric. The figures. Langford: Metaphora. Burrows: Yes. And ironia. Shropshire: That’s when you say one thing and mean the opposite. Burrows: Often. Or you say one thing and mean more than the literal words convey. Grice, give us Latin for irony if you can. Grice: Ironia is Greek, but used in Latin. Cicero uses it and talks about it as dissimulatio, sometimes. Burrows: Good. Dissimulating. Saying less, or saying sideways. Pemberton: Like when Burrows says “Well done” and means “You’re a menace.” Burrows: When I say “Well done,” Pemberton, I mean “Well done.” The menace is always extra. Grice: Cicero also treats metaphor as a transfer, translatio. Burrows: Yes. And why does he like it. Grice: It gives vividness and elegance. It can compress an argument into an image. Shropshire: And it lets you dodge responsibility. Burrows: That is too modern, but not wholly false. A metaphor allows you to say something without stating it baldly. Grice: Which is again like implying rather than asserting. Burrows: Careful. Grice: Sorry. Like suggesting rather than declaring. Burrows: Better. Now, hyperbole. Langford: Superlatio. Burrows: Yes, superlatio. The overstatement that expects the audience to correct it mentally. Grice: So the speaker relies on the hearer to not take it literally. Burrows: Exactly. And that reliance is the whole trick. The figure works only because the hearer cooperates. Shropshire: Cooperates by being charitable. Burrows: Or by being trained, which is what public schools do instead of charity. Grice: Example, sir. Burrows: “I have told you a thousand times.” Pemberton: My father says that. Burrows: And does he mean a thousand. Pemberton: No. Burrows: So why is it not a lie. Grice: Because the intention is not to report a count but to convey annoyance and frequency. Burrows: Precisely. The literal content is sacrificed to the communicative effect. Shropshire: So rhetoric is licensed untruth. Burrows: No. Rhetoric is disciplined effect. Licensed untruth is what you do in a letter home. Grice: Cicero’s interest is that figures are not ornaments; they are tools of persuasion. Burrows: And persuasion is partly a matter of making the audience do work without noticing. Grice: Like filling in what is not said. Burrows: There you go again. Grice: Like completing the thought. Burrows: Acceptable. Now, titles. Cicero is not only an orator. He writes on the theory. Which texts do we name. Langford: De Oratore. Burrows: Yes. And? Pemberton: Orator. Burrows: Yes. And for argument and proof. Grice: Topica. Burrows: Good. And you may mention De Inventione, and yes, that other manual that is treated as Ciceronian in schools even when scholars quarrel about it. Shropshire: The Rhetorica ad Herennium. Burrows: Exactly. Which is what half of you will quote as “Cicero” until you die, and the other half will deny you in footnotes. Grice: Cicero also in the speeches shows how he uses signa as evidence. Burrows: Yes. The speeches are where the theory becomes practice. You see him argue from circumstantial signs, from probabilities, from motives. Pemberton: Motive is always a sign in detective stories. Burrows: And in courts. “Cui bono.” Who benefits. Latin, and a very dangerous inference. Grice: Because benefit suggests motive, but does not entail guilt. Burrows: Exactly. Probabile, not necessarium. Shropshire: So Cicero is teaching you how to avoid being hanged. Burrows: In Rome, perhaps. In Clifton, it teaches you how to avoid being corrected. Grice: It also teaches how meaning is not exhausted by words. The figure depends on audience inference. Burrows: That is the point you may take with you to Oxford, provided you do not say it in so many words at interview. Langford: Why not, sir. Burrows: Because Oxford likes you to discover that you already knew it. Grice: I am going to Corpus, sir. Burrows: Yes, Grice. And there, when you cite Cicero, they will pretend they are not impressed, and then they will cite him back at you, and you will feel at home. Shropshire: And what about Ficino and the Symposium, sir. Burrows: If you want Ficino, you can find him later. Here we keep Plato clean and Cicero useful. Grice: Cicero as precursor of both meaning and implicature, then. Burrows: Not that word. Grice: Then precursor of signification and suggestion. Burrows: There. Now you may have your prophecy privately. Publicly, you will translate. Pemberton: Which passage, sir. Burrows: A short one. On signs. Grice, read. Grice: “Signa sunt quibus ex rebus occultis coniecturam capimus.” Burrows: Translate. Grice: “Signs are those things by which we draw an inference from hidden matters.” Shropshire: Hidden matters sounds like the tuck-shop accounts. Burrows: It sounds like most of your mind, Shropshire. Grice: And “coniecturam capimus” is literally “we take a conjecture.” Burrows: Good. A conjecture is an inference under uncertainty. That is the entire science of evidence in one phrase. Grice: And it’s also the entire problem of understanding in conversation. Burrows: Enough. We have reached Oxford already. Return to Clifton. Decline your nouns. Scan your hexameters. And remember: Cicero is not merely Latin; Cicero is training in how to get from what is said to what ought to be taken. Grice: Sir, that is exactly what I intend to study. Burrows: Intentions are cheap, Grice. Essays are due Friday. Pemberton: Is that necessary or probable, sir. Burrows: Necessary. Unlike your progress. Shropshire: Sir, is “necessary” here a signum necessarium. Burrows: It is a signum that you will be punished if you test it. Grice: Then the sign is perfectly reliable. Burrows: At last, Grice, a necessary sign you can trust. G: Cicero again. S: Always Cicero again. Oxford cannot leave him alone because it suspects he has already done, in better Latin, half the things we are congratulating ourselves for discovering. G: Quite. And one must begin with the obvious institutional fact: in our sort of Oxford, philosophy comes in by way of Literae Humaniores. S: Through the side door of Greek and Latin, carrying a dictionary. G: Yes. No one came up reading “philosophy” in the abstract, as if the mind could be admitted without its dead languages. One came through Mods first, and Mods was language, drill, prose, verse, text, idiom, forms, all the punishments that produce a later freedom. S: Lingo first, then Greats. G: And Greats, despite the name’s pomposity, was in practice ancient history and philosophy, with the old languages presumed as already in one’s bones. S: So Cicero remains oddly relevant even after the linguistic part is officially “over.” G: More than relevant. He becomes doubly useful. As Latin prose he belongs to the earlier formation; as rhetorical theorist, political actor, philosophical transmitter, and source for Roman intellectual life he remains alive in Greats proper. S: The one Roman who survives being both style and syllabus. G: Exactly. Livy may dominate certain historical moods; Aristotle certain philosophical ones; but Cicero is that irritatingly useful intermediary who serves both camps at once. S: Which rather suits you. G: It does. Livy always left me with the feeling that I ought to know more than I did. Cicero, by contrast, felt like a man one could actually talk to. S: That is almost sentimental. G: Dryly sentimental, perhaps. But true enough. Cicero is a writer who seems always to be trying to persuade some visible interlocutor, which makes him easier company for an Oxonian brought up on tutorials. S: Let us fix the institutional scenery. Your own college first? G: Corpus as alma mater, then Merton as senior scholar, then St John’s as professional habitat. But Corpus matters specially for Cicero because Corpus has that older humanist self-image, half Latin patrimony and half rhetorical after-smell. S: And Rainolds. G: Yes, John Rainolds, or Reynolds if one likes a modernised spelling, early 1570s, lecturing at Corpus on Aristotle’s Rhetoric in Latin and Greek. Not a “course on Cicero” exactly, but close enough in spirit for the tradition to become permanently Ciceronian by atmosphere. S: Rhetoric in print then, if not later. G: Precisely. Oxford once had the courage to name rhetoric in public. Later it lost the noun while keeping the practice. S: So rhetoric disappeared from titles but not from the air. G: That is the formula. The old trivium left uneven relics. Logic survived visibly. Rhetoric survived culturally. Grammar survived by hiding in school training and philology, where no one needed to flatter it with a chair. S: And the Wykeham chair? G: The old memory is of Logic and Rhetoric; the modern survivance is the Wykeham Professor of Logic. One side of the pair kept the title and the salary. The other lingered in manners, prose composition, common-room timing, and the way people still spoke of “style” as if it were not already thought in costume. S: Oxford is very good at preserving a corpse by reassigning its functions. G: Exactly. The rhetoric goes underground and then turns up in tutorials, speeches, sermons, common-room remarks, legal training, and every undergraduate essay that is too smooth to be honest. S: Corpus also had the Latin chair. G: Yes, the Corpus Christi Professorship of Latin, which is really the institutional centre of gravity for your Cicero question in our own period. J. C. Stobart was there in the crucial years when I came up. Then Fraenkel from 1935, though he belongs more to the slightly later full force of Oxford Latin scholarship. S: Stobart on Cicero. G: Very much so. If one asks who, in Grice’s pupil days, would have counted as an authority on Cicero in Oxford, Stobart is one of the strongest names. He is not “Professor of Rhetoric”; he is something more Oxonian and therefore more effective: a Latin authority under whom Cicero remains both style and civilization. S: You have a weakness for that phrase. G: Because Cicero invites it. He is not just eloquence, though the schools try to reduce him to that. He is evidence, rhetoric, politics, moral vocabulary, philosophical translation, law-court technique, and Roman self-consciousness all at once. S: Which means that for Greats he can be read as history and as philosophy without changing books. G: Exactly. That is why specialty divisions in Greats mattered less than later people imagine. There were emphases, of course. Some men were more “historical,” some more “philosophical.” But the thing itself resisted clean separation. S: So if someone said, “I am doing philosophy rather than history in Greats,” that would have meant— G: It would have meant a relative leaning, not a different universe. You still met ancient material through the same broad educational machinery. Cicero remained common property. S: And for you personally? G: I never felt confidently positioned to give a lesson on Livy in the way a proper ancient historian might. Livy feels to me like a civic monument requiring a stepladder. Cicero feels like a man in the room. S: Because he argues. G: Because he argues, qualifies, reports, insinuates, defines, re-defines, and is perpetually visible as a speaker managing an audience. He is ideal for anyone later interested in what is said and what is got across. S: Signs, proof, rhetoric, and all that. G: Yes. Signa, probabilia, necessaria, all the lawyerly and rhetorical apparatus by which one moves from evidence to conclusion without pretending the movement is mechanically forced. Cicero is invaluable if one wants to keep one’s eye on the difference between demonstration and persuasion. S: Which Oxford liked, because Oxford always wants to persuade while saying it is merely clarifying. G: Quite. The old joke is that Oxford hates rhetoric. The truth is that Oxford hates rhetoric named as rhetoric. Once it reappears as “good sense,” “nice distinctions,” “ordinary use,” or “clear thinking,” it is welcomed back indoors. S: So Cicero in the formation of a future philosopher of conversation is not accidental. G: Not accidental at all. He offers, early on, a whole civil education in the movement from words to uptake. S: Uptake before Austin. G: Let us say “effect in an audience” before Austin bureaucratised felicity. Cicero’s whole oratorical world depends on the hearer’s trained cooperation. Figures work because audiences are expected to recover more than literal content. S: Irony, hyperbole, translatio. G: Exactly. Ironia, hyperbole, translatio, dissimulatio, all those devices that later philosophers pretend to rediscover as if ordinary speech had waited for them. S: And Cicero matters also because he Latinised philosophy. G: There is the deeper point. For Oxford men bred in Lit. Hum., Cicero is not just the elegant Roman. He is the man through whom Greek philosophy becomes thinkable in Latin. That matters immensely. He is part of the very possibility of philosophical vocabulary for a tradition that still measures itself against Rome almost as much as against Athens. S: One almost wants to say that he made Greats possible. G: I would not quite say that. But he helps make a Roman philosophical world available without which Greats would feel far more one-sidedly Hellenic. S: Then PPE comes and ruins it. G: Ah yes, PPE, the efficient escape route for the modern conscience. Once PPE was instituted, trust pupils to avoid Greek grief and Latin laughter and go straight toward the newer solemnities. S: The Mock Turtle had them better arranged. G: He did. Reeling, writhing, ambition, distraction, uglification, derision — one could build a whole Oxford curriculum out of those and lose very little. S: PPE let men become philosophers without ever really suffering through verse composition. G: And that, I think, is one of the quiet tragedies of modernity. Without verse composition, one can still become clever. What becomes harder is becoming exact in the old bodily sense. S: Cicero, then, belongs to that old bodily exactness. G: Yes. Prose rhythm, cadential ear, controlled periodicity, the management of sign and emphasis — all of it belongs to a training in which thought is inseparable from sentence-shape. S: Which would explain why you distrust men who think logical form floats free from use. G: It contributes, certainly. One does not come out of that world believing that form is merely abstract skeleton. One has felt form in Latin periods and in the pressure of translation. S: There is still the question of authorities. Suppose one wanted to know who “owned” Cicero in your Oxford years. G: No one owned him exclusively. That is the answer. But some men administered the estate. At Corpus and around the Latin chair, Stobart very much. By 1935 onward Fraenkel looms, though in a somewhat different, more philological and formidable way. Earlier, in the long historical imagination, Rainolds stands as a reminder that Corpus had once made rhetoric itself a visible scholarly thing. S: And at St John’s? G: Cicero would be present less through a distinct Ciceronian specialist than through the whole classical habit in which Roman prose, rhetorical theory, and philosophical vocabulary were simply assumed furniture. One did not need a “Cicero man” at every table because Cicero was already in the cutlery. S: That is good. G: It is also true. S: Rossall and Clifton? G: There Cicero is more schoolmasterly, more direct formation. Prose models, selected speeches, moral commonplaces, the old discipline of “how to write and construe Latin without disgracing the Empire.” At Oxford he thickens: now not only prose model but intellectual ancestor, evidence-machine, and Roman philosopher manqué who remains philosophically useful precisely because he never stops sounding like an advocate. S: Which perhaps made him seem friendlier than Livy. G: Yes. Livy narrates the Roman past. Cicero talks his way through it. For someone likely to turn later toward conversational minutiae, there is no competition. S: Let us return to rhetoric. Since Oxford ceased to print it, what remained? G: The whole thing remained, only redistributed. In classics through Cicero and Quintilian. In philosophy through the management of example, distinction, and concession. In law through argument and evidence. In college life through speech-making and committee timing. In tutorials through the art of pressing a pupil to say exactly enough and not too much. S: So when Oxford says it does not teach rhetoric, it means it teaches rhetoric all day but objects to the noun. G: Precisely. S: That is very Ciceronian. G: Very. And perhaps very English. We dislike admitted art. We prefer art disguised as plain dealing. S: Which is why Cicero remained both admired and suspect. G: Yes. He is indispensable and slightly embarrassing. Too polished to be wholly trusted, too useful to be ignored. S: Rather like Oxford itself. G: You said it, not I. S: And Grice’s later concern with what is suggested rather than said — could one trace a little of that back to the old Ciceronian training? G: One must be cautious with genealogy. But yes, in broad civilizational terms. Cicero teaches very early that meaning lives not only in semantic content but in evidential weight, figure, emphasis, and audience management. That is not yet “conversational implicature,” of course. But it is certainly an education in the fact that the literal sentence is not the whole event. S: Signification and suggestion. G: Exactly. Which is why your fictional Burrows at Clifton was not entirely fictional in spirit. Any decent classicist forming boys through Cicero would already be giving them a discipline in how to get from what is said to what ought to be taken. S: Then the philosophical moral is pleasantly retrograde. G: Namely? S: That before one had a theory of conversation, one had Cicero. G: And before one had “philosophy of language,” one had prose composition, rhetorical figures, and a room full of undergraduates being told that a sentence can fail in more ways than one. S: It is almost enough to make one forgive Greats. G: I would not go that far. S: No. Nor would Cicero.GRICEVS: Salve, CICERO: si te “filosofum Italicum” voco, tu statim “Romanus sum!” subaudes, an ego hoc ipsum implico? CICERO: Ego vero Romanus sum, sed si Italia me vindicat, non litigabo—modo Latine loquamur et non barbare. GRICEVS: Bene; tu signas, ego signatum insequor, et Marc’Antonius—ut solet—plus clamat quam significat. CICERO: Ita fit ut in foro verba volant, in libris manent, et in convivio omnes se sapientissimos implicent. Tully’s Translations -- Arato –Roma He achieves fame as a dramatic poet. A pupil of Zenone. He writes a celebrated poem, “Phenomena”, dealing with astronomy and meteorology. It is widely read – and CICERONE comments it. It may have been used by LUCREZIO. A. depicts the universe as a rational and organized system bearing the hallmark of its divine creator. Kidd, Aratus, Cambridge. GRICEVS: Arate, discipule Zenonis et poeta clarissime, num in Phainomenois caelum ita ordinasti ut etiam Romani tandem viam suam in Foro inveniant? ARATVS: Si mea sidera eos dirigunt, gaudeo, sed timeo ne plerique malint meteorologica legere quam tunicas siccare. GRICEVS: Cicero te commentatus est, Lucretius fortasse te furatus est, et tamen tu universum rationabile dicis—quid ergo de popina quae omnino irrationaliter clamat? ARATVS: Popina quoque, mi Grice, partem ordinis divini agit, quia sine strepitu nullus poeta sciret quando versus finire oportet. This Aratus is said to be a tutee o Zenone -- the scettico? -- Grice and Speranza assume he wrote in Greek and never lived at Rome? Yes: Grice and Speranza are right to treat him as Greek, not Roman. Aratus wrote in Greek, specifically in epic hexameters, and his surviving work is the Phaenomena, a Greek didactic poem on constellations and weather-signs. The Loeb, Britannica, and the general biographical tradition all agree on that point. [loebclassics.com], [theoi.com], [britannica.com] On the “pupil of Zeno” point, one should add a small correction. He was not a pupil of the sceptic Zeno, because the famous Zeno in his orbit is Zeno of Citium, founder of Stoicism, not a sceptic. The ancient biographies say that in Athens Aratus met or associated with Zeno of Citium, though the exact degree of discipleship is not always pinned down with perfect security. So the safest formulation is that he was connected with the Stoic circle, not that he was a sceptic’s tutee. [en.wikipedia.org], [academic.oup.com], [loebclassics.com] And no, we do not have reason to think he ever lived at Rome. His life, as the standard sources present it, runs from Soli in Cilicia to studies in Athens, then to the court of Antigonus II Gonatas in Macedon, then for a time to Antiochus I in Syria, and back to Pella, where he died. Britannica is especially concise: he resided at the courts of Antigonus II Gonatas and Antiochus I. Rome enters only later, through reception. [en.wikipedia.org], [loebclassics.com], [britannica.com] That reception is of course very important. Cicero, Germanicus, and Avienus translated him into Latin, which is why he becomes so visible in Roman literary culture. But that is Roman reading of a Greek poet, not a sign that Aratus himself belonged to Rome. [britannica.com], [loebclassics.com] So the dry answer is this. Aratus was a Greek poet from Soli, associated with Zeno of Citium and the Stoic world, wrote in Greek, and so far as our evidence goes never lived at Rome; he became Roman chiefly by translation, commentary, and school use. [en.wikipedia.org], [academic.oup.com], [britannica.com] If you want, I can next give you the neatest one-sentence Speranzian formula for why a Greek who never lived at Rome still belongs in a Roman-philosophical file: because Roman philosophy is often constituted as much by reception and pedagogic transmission as by nativity. Cicero we know was gens Tullia, i.e. Tullio himself -- what about the gentes of Germanico and Avieno -- do we know -- and are we suppose that Germanico and Avieno were aware of Tullio's translation? Also, is Cicero -- and the rest, Germanico and Avieno -- doing this as philosophers or as translators of poetry. And do their translations exist as per one sentence or something. If the thing was called "Phainomena," I can see Cicero's puzzles and leaving the thing untranslated. Grice never liked the opposition 'phainomenon'/'noumenon' -- what it appears does not oppose 'what is thought'. But did these translations of Aratus enrich the LATIN philosophical lexicon in some way -- else: why bother translating it? Thanks Input Feedback? I'm asking for Grice -- he only went to Oxford because he won a scholarship in classics -- but in later reminiscences he does mention the fact that the 'oxford philosophy don' was expected to assing for his tutees each week some reading of either "Plato and Aristotle" along with some contemporary piece to prove that topics span the centuries -- but he never dwelt much on the ROMAN side to this -- do we are to assume to at Clifton he would have one special tutor for LATIN and one special tutor (or master) for GREEK? We know that for the BA Lit Hum the first Mods section was all about GREEK *AND* LATIN -- and that while Hardie was his PHILOSOPHY tutor, Grice would have been examined on LATIN and Greek by other tutors at Corpus who would specialise strictly either in GREEK or in Latin -- indeed Corpus had a long reputation for Latin, with Reinalds giving lessons of Aristotle's rhetorics not in Greek, but in LATIN as meta-language! And Grice later gave classes on DE INTERPRETATIONE (never Peri hermeneias), i. e. as considering 'Aristoteles latinus' a sort of sourcebook? Thanks Input. Yes, quite a lot can be said, and the cleanest way is to separate names, reception, genre, and lexical effect. Germanicus is Germanicus Julius Caesar, originally of the Claudian line by birth, then formally Julian by adoption into the Julio-Claudian house; so if one insists on gens-language, he is Claudian by blood and Julian by adoptive public standing. Germanicus is described as born into the patrician gens Claudia, then made a member of the gens Julia through adoption by Tiberius. [en.wikipedia.org], [britannica.com] Avienus, more fully Postumius Rufius Festus Avienius, belongs to the late Roman senatorial world of the Rufii Festi; and as for the nomen itself, there is indeed an Avienus or Avienius form that points to the Aviena gens, though the late-antique aristocratic accumulation of names makes one careful here. The biographical tradition gives him as Postumius Rufius Festus Avienius, while the onomastic side separately attests an Aviena gens. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] Now to the literary-historical point. Yes, one should assume that both Germanicus and Avienus knew that Cicero had translated Aratus. For Cicero’s Aratea was an established Roman precedent, and the tradition of Latin Aratea is explicitly presented as a sequence including Cicero, Germanicus, and Avienus. Modern scholarship on the translation tradition treats them comparatively and continuously, which strongly reflects the ancient and medieval reception. [early-astr...omy-um.org], [macsphere....cmaster.ca], [loebclassics.com] In Germanicus’s case this is especially likely, because his Aratea is not a mere independent rediscovery of Aratus but part of an already Romanised tradition of translating and adapting the poem. In Avienus’s case it is stronger still, because he is late enough to stand after both Cicero and Germanicus, and the transmission history regularly bundles the three together. [thesaxlproject.com], [early-astr...omy-um.org], [loebclassics.com] As to whether they were acting as philosophers or as translators of poetry, the right answer is: both, but in different proportions. Cicero translated Aratus partly as literary exercise and cultural Romanisation, not primarily as a philosophical treatise. Yet Aratus was philosophically charged, especially by Stoic reception, because the poem presents a cosmos full of signs under divine rational order. That is why Cicero’s translation belongs to poetry, pedagogy, and philosophical culture at once. [academic.oup.com], [early-astr...omy-um.org] Germanicus is more a poetic adapter and learned prince than a philosopher in any narrow sense. His version is freer, enriched, and mythographically expanded, with corrected astronomical detail. That is literary-intellectual work rather than school philosophy proper. [thesaxlproject.com], [archive.org] Avienus is again chiefly a late-antique poet-scholar and adapter. But his expansion of Aratus with Stoic colouring and lexical richness means that even his poetic translation participates in philosophical transmission. Michigan’s account is explicit that he intensifies the Stoic cast in the hymn to Jupiter and elsewhere. [early-astr...omy-um.org], [macsphere....cmaster.ca] So I would say this. They are translators of poetry in form, but their choice of poem is philosophically loaded, and in Rome that distinction is not clean anyway. Aratus is didactic verse, cosmology, astronomy, sign-theory, and quasi-Stoic world-picture all at once. Translating him is never merely literary housekeeping. [early-astr...omy-um.org], [academic.oup.com] Do the translations survive? Yes, but unevenly. Cicero’s Aratea survives only in part: 480 continuous verses from the astronomical section, plus further quoted fragments, and only traces of the weather-sign part. Both the Michigan page and the Aratea Digital summary are very clear on that. [early-astr...omy-um.org], [ivanadob.github.io] Germanicus’s version survives substantially enough to be edited as a real work in its own right. Avienus’s Aratea is in fact the only complete Latin verse translation of the whole Phaenomena tradition we possess, including the meteorological part. [thesaxlproject.com], [early-astr...omy-um.org] So your hunch is right. Cicero’s thing is fragmentary and did not dominate the Latin West in the way Calcidius dominated the Timaeus tradition. It was known, admired, and transmitted, but not as the sole or schoolmasterly gateway. [ivanadob.github.io], [early-astr...omy-um.org] Did these translations enrich the Latin philosophical lexicon? Yes, though not in the dramatic way that translating Aristotle later did. The strongest precise statement I can make is that the three Latin translators of Aratus developed a richer Latin vocabulary for astronomical and cosmological description than the Greek original itself strictly required. Scholarship explicitly notes lexical creativity in Cicero, Germanicus, and Avienus, especially in words of brightness and related cosmic description. [jstor.org] More broadly, the comparative study of the three Latin versions treats them as part of the Roman literary phenomenon of translation in which a distinctly Roman Aratean language emerges. Lewis is especially useful here: the translations become progressively less mere copies and more Roman reworkings, with their own lexical and stylistic identity. [macsphere....cmaster.ca] So no, this is not the same lexical revolution as category becoming praedicamentum or poiotēs becoming qualitas. But yes, it matters for the Latin language of cosmos, signs, stars, brightness, and providential order. It also matters culturally, because it proved that Latin could carry Hellenistic didactic science-poetry with philosophical undertones. [macsphere....cmaster.ca], [jstor.org] As for why bother translating it if elites knew Greek, the shortest answer is this. Because translation in Rome was never only remedial. It was acquisitive. It domesticated prestige, made Latin a rival vehicle of learned discourse, and gave Roman readers a text they could quote, teach, admire, and adapt as theirs. Cicero’s Aratea is treated by modern scholarship exactly as part of his larger Romanising ambition, not as a mere crib for the linguistically weak. [academic.oup.com], [early-astr...omy-um.org] On your Oxford aside, the safe answer is yes in broad structure, but with caution in detail. Literae Humaniores at Oxford centrally required both Greek and Latin in the original, especially in Mods, and the tutorial system normally meant separate work in the relevant textual areas rather than one single omniscient tutor handling every side equally. Literae Humaniores is described as built on direct study of primary texts in Greek and Latin, with weekly tutorials and essays. [en.wikipedia.org], [classics.ox.ac.uk] So your general picture is sound: Grice would very likely have been taught and examined by different specialists in philosophy, Greek texts, and Latin texts, even if college and university arrangements overlapped in practice. What I would not claim, without a documentary college record, is the exact personal allocation of “one special Latin tutor and one special Greek tutor” in every term at Corpus Christi. The institutional structure points that way, but the individual distribution could vary. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] And your final instinct is a good one. For Grice, Aristotle often arrived in the Oxford classical afterlife not only as Greek Aristotle but as Aristoteles latinus: a source already sedimented into Latin logical and philosophical teaching. That is entirely consonant with the older Lit. Hum. world, even if the published institutional descriptions naturally emphasise the Greek and Latin originals. [en.wikipedia.org], [classics.ox.ac.uk] So the driest summary is this. Germanicus: Claudian by birth, Julian by adoption. Germanicus [en.wikipedia.org] Avienus: late Roman aristocrat, with Avienius or Avienus as a real nomen-form and an attested Aviena gens in the background. [en.wikipedia.org], [en.wikipedia.org] Both almost certainly knew Cicero’s Aratea as precedent. [early-astr...omy-um.org], [loebclassics.com] All three are translating poetry, but poetry already philosophically charged by Stoic cosmology and sign-language. [early-astr...omy-um.org], [early-astr...omy-um.org] Cicero survives in fragments; Germanicus substantially; Avienus completely. [ivanadob.github.io], [thesaxlproject.com], [early-astr...omy-um.org] And yes, these versions did enrich Latin, not chiefly in hard Aristotelian technicality, but in the poetic-philosophical lexicon of cosmos, stars, signs, and celestial order. [jstor.org], [macsphere....cmaster.ca] If you want, I can next give you a compact Gricean comparison of the three Aratea under three headings only: fidelity, philosophy, and Latinity. And a couple of more questions (a) I mentioned the title Phainomena in Aratus and you keep calling it Aratea, they didn't -- these three: Cicero, the Claudio emperor, and Aviano -- care to expand on what appears (phainomenon) versus 'what is thought (noumenon) -- or is this distinction just Kantian? (b) Grice at Clifford -- he got the scholarship for classics (not Greek) at Corpus -- woud Clifton in the 1920s had a weekly session with one latin master and a different session with a Greek master (c) the vocabulary of signs. In De interpretatione, and grice gave classes on this -- the semantic triangle is basically applied to phone (vox) being semeion (signum) of phantasma (affectus) of the psyche (anima) and the phantasma 'manifesting' 'delein'? the things -- three levels. and qualifications with a cow mooing, where that is vox but not articulated, or in Grice's favouite example, the uttering of 'gr.r.r.r.' not as stuttering before saying '/grice/ pig in Norse, but as as sort of signal that the utterer is under some state of stress -- so Aristotle distinguish semeion (segnum) and symbolon -- and Grice gave lectures on Peirce pointing to the 'factiveness' or lack thereof -- not just dark clouds meaning rain (Aratus's phenomena) but a weathercock pointing NE 'signifying' that the wind comes from NE -- or a hole in a piece of cloth 'signifying' (cancellably) that a bullet went through it. Cicero will deal with all this in his work on rhetorica with 'segnum necessarium' but can we expand on the Aratus connection especially I suppose on Cicero, rahter than Claduio the emperor or Avieno -- do these 480 verses make an attempt to translate 'semeion,' 'semein' as triadic relation ("Those dark clouds meant rain to me but not to my travelling companion") and a sort of taxonomy? It all semms to fall under Grice's category of NATURAL -- but is there a hint by Cicero, Claudio the emperor or Avieno, that some hint at non-natural (arbitrary, -- not the cow mooing, -- voluntary) dimension? Thanks Input? Yes. Let me separate the three strands, and I shall keep to plain prose. On Aratus first. You are quite right that the Greek title is Phaenomena. When I said Aratea, I was not renaming Aratus’s own poem but referring to the Latin translation-tradition, where Cicero’s version in particular is conventionally called the Aratea, and the later Latin witnesses are often grouped under that heading as part of the Roman reception of Aratus. The Loeb tradition and the broader transmission history explicitly place Cicero, Germanicus, and Avienus alongside the Greek Phaenomena in this way. Aratus, Cicero, and Avienus are all brought together in exactly that Latin bibliographical frame. [loebclassics.com], [early-astr...omy-um.org], [quod.lib.umich.edu] As to phainomenon versus noumenon, your suspicion is sound. That opposition is not an Aratean one in any strict sense. Aratus’s phainomena are the visible appearances in the sky, the constellations and weather-signs as they show themselves. The hard philosophical opposition between phenomena and noumena is a much later, above all Kantian, way of regimenting the terms. Aratus is not staging a theory of “mere appearance” against “what is thought” in the Kantian sense; he is giving an ordered poem of celestial appearances and signs. So here Grice’s dislike of the later opposition is perfectly to the point. The Greek title itself does not force a Kantian contrast. [academic.oup.com], [loebclassics.com] Now to the signs. Here the best anchor is not Aratus first, but Aristotle and then Roman appropriation. In De interpretatione Aristotle says that spoken sounds are symbols of affections in the soul, and written marks are signs of spoken sounds; those affections are likenesses of things. The classic passage is exactly the one you have in mind: voice, soul, and things, with truth and falsity arriving only once combination and division enter. The Loeb text of On Interpretation gives the Greek and English very clearly, and the Boethian Latin tradition renders this with the familiar language of voces, passiones animae, and res. Aristotle and the medieval Latin transmission through Boethius preserve the structure you are invoking. [loebclassics.com], [documentac...caomnia.eu] So yes, semeion and symbolon are different in Aristotle. The vocal sounds are symbols of the affections of the soul, while the written marks are signs of the vocal sounds. The relation is not simply one flat triad. And your Gricean examples are exactly the right sort of modern pressure to place on the text: the cow’s moo is voice but not articulated language; a growl may indicate a state without thereby amounting to articulated saying; a weathercock may signify by convention or instrumentality rather than by natural symptom alone; a hole in cloth may indicate a bullet, though defeasibly and context-sensitively. Aristotle’s framework is broad enough to begin sorting such cases, but not yet with the tidy Gricean distinction between natural and non-natural meaning. That later distinction is indeed Grice’s own sharpening. Now, what do Cicero, Germanicus, or Avienus do with this in Aratus? Not, I think, what one would want if one were hunting for a worked-out taxonomy of signification. Cicero’s Aratea is not a miniature treatise on semeion, symbolon, and triadic reference. It is first a poetic translation of a didactic poem whose world is thick with signs, especially celestial and meteorological ones. The Michigan material is explicit that Roman readers valued Aratus precisely because the sky was full of signs set in order, and that Stoic readers in particular found the poem congenial for that reason. Cicero’s Aratea is presented there as part of a Roman enthusiasm for a cosmos legible through signs. [early-astr...omy-um.org] That means your Gricean category of natural meaning is absolutely central here. Dark clouds mean rain, stars and risings mean seasons, weather-signs mean likely changes. This is overwhelmingly the natural-sign side of the ledger. And Cicero’s translation seems not to have transformed that into an explicit philosophical semiotics. Rather, he Latinised a cosmological and astronomical sign-world. Modern scholarship on the three Latin translators stresses lexical creativity, especially in astronomical and brightness vocabulary, not the invention of a technical sign-theory. Anne-Marie Lewis and the study of brightness-words in the Latin translations make that plain. [macsphere....cmaster.ca], [jstor.org] So I would answer your most exact question like this. No, Cicero’s 480 surviving lines do not appear to mount a systematic attempt to translate semeion or semainein into a full triadic theory of signification, still less into a taxonomy of natural versus non-natural signification in the later Gricean manner. What they do is inhabit a universe in which natural signs are pervasive and intelligible, and in which Latin must be made capable of carrying that world. Cicero is important less for a full semiotic theory here than for making a Roman poetic and intellectual language for a sign-laden cosmos. [early-astr...omy-um.org], [macsphere....cmaster.ca] Is there any hint of the non-natural or arbitrary dimension in Cicero, Germanicus, or Avienus? Only indirectly, I would say. Not because the poems theorise voluntary signification as such, but because all translation already presupposes a world of instituted words and because the Latin translators repeatedly choose how to render the Greek sign-world into Roman verbal form. In that broad sense there is an artificial or conventional level hovering over the poem, but it is the level of translation and poetic diction, not a doctrinal treatment of arbitrary signification. The direct content remains mostly natural-sign content. There is, however, one way in which these translations really matter for your larger point. They enlarge the Latin lexicon for exactly the sort of descriptive and inferential world in which signs can be read. Cicero, Germanicus, and Avienus all develop richer Latin resources for celestial brightness, visibility, cosmological order, and astronomical description than the Greek model required word for word. Lewis and the JSTOR study of brightness-vocabulary are very explicit that the Latin versions display lexical creativity beyond Aratus’s own economy. [macsphere....cmaster.ca], [jstor.org] So the answer to “why bother translating it?” is not only poetic prestige. It is also this: to make Latin a language in which the cosmos can be read, described, taught, and admired. Not yet the full philosophical lexicon of Aristotle, but a major extension of Latin’s scientific-poetic and quasi-Stoic vocabulary. Cicero is even described by recent scholarship as trying to make his version a Roman classic and a teaching tool for astronomy. [academic.oup.com], [early-astr...omy-um.org] Now to Clifton and Oxford. Here one must be a little cautious, because we do not have the individual school timetable in front of us. But your broad reconstruction is very plausible. At a school such as Clifton in the 1920s, a classical scholarship boy aiming at Oxford would ordinarily be taught both Latin and Greek by specialists or at least by masters strongly identified with one or the other branch. And at Oxford in Literae Humaniores the work was decisively in both Greek and Latin, especially in Mods, with later teaching distributed among tutors and lecturers according to specialty. The general Oxford structure of Lit. Hum. centrally presupposed both languages in the original, and Grice’s own classicist path is independently attested in the old Speranzian tradition that he won his Corpus place through Greek as much as classics more generally. The broad picture of separate Greek and Latin teaching, then, is almost certainly right, even if I would not swear to the exact weekly scheduling formula without Clifton records. Speranza on Grice and Clifton supports the classics-scholarship line, though of course it is not an institutional archive. [freelists.org] So the safest statement is this. Yes, it is highly likely that at Clifton a boy on the classics track would have had regular instruction in both Latin and Greek, probably from different masters or at least under clearly differentiated teaching, and yes, at Oxford his later philosophical tutoring would have been only one part of a larger classical formation examined by others whose specialism was the Greek or Latin side. That picture fits the general shape of Lit. Hum. very well, even if I cannot yet give you the Clifton timetable in documentary detail. [freelists.org] So if I compress the whole answer into a Gricean set of theses. First, Phaenomena is Aratus’s Greek title; Aratea is the conventional Latin reception-title, especially for Cicero’s translation and the Latin tradition around it. Aratus, Cicero, and Avienus belong to that tradition. [loebclassics.com], [early-astr...omy-um.org], [quod.lib.umich.edu] Second, the phainomenon versus noumenon opposition is not native to Aratus in the strong Kantian sense. Aratus gives visible signs, not a transcendental antithesis. [academic.oup.com] Third, the real philosophical anchor for the sign-question is Aristotle’s De interpretatione and its Latin afterlife in Boethius, not Aratus directly. [loebclassics.com], [documentac...caomnia.eu] Fourth, Cicero’s Aratea does not seem to develop a full semiotic taxonomy of semeion and symbolon; it mostly inhabits and Latinises a world of natural signs. Cicero matters there as translator and lexical innovator, not as the architect of a triadic sign-theory. [early-astr...omy-um.org], [macsphere....cmaster.ca] Fifth, these translators did enrich Latin, especially for astronomical, cosmological, and sign-laden description, even if not in the same way that later Aristotelian translation enriched technical philosophy. Lewis and the brightness-vocabulary study show this well. [macsphere....cmaster.ca], [jstor.org] And sixth, your Clifton and Oxford picture is broadly right: Grice’s classics formation would have been deeply bilingual, institutionally divided between Greek and Latin expertise, with philosophy only one strand in the larger classical weave. [freelists.org] If you want, I can next do one very narrow follow-up only on Aristotle’s semeion versus symbolon and Boethius’s Latin choices, because that would bring the Grice–De interpretatione thread into the sharpest possible focus. And there is a further Griceian complication. When he chooses the Anglo-Saxon 'mean' -- which he borrows from Stevenson, altehough Stevenson uses it in scare quotes: a high temperature 'means' convalescence -- we can see Jupiter and animism. Jupiter was a master of sending thunderbolts and lightinings -- or whatever the correct English for this is -- and so I wonder if Aratus -- because Cicero had De divinatione -- or Cicero or Claudio the Emperor or Avieno -- consider the 'sign' as being one of the 'gods of the skies' -- notably IVS PATER (or IVPITER), in which the thing collapses to animism -- as Tyler and other anthropologists will later catalogue it --. By the title Phainnoemna, Aratus (and his three translators to Latin) seem to be focusing on mere mechanical causal explanation, not intention-based of 'natural' signification' as coming fom a _mens_ -- mentire, Anglo-Saxon 'meant' --. But one can see complications. When Romolo saw six crows, and Remulus objected -- this 'sign' -- not from the sky, but IN THE SKY -- was a 'signal' from someone above -- and yet there was cancellation and discussion that follows: with Romolo infamously claiming that while SIX crows appeared first, TWELVE crows appeared later, and number, not temporality, trumps the verdict, on who would get to choose where to found Rome -- I can imagine similar scenarios with 'weather' or 'signs of the skies' as being 'probable' in Cicero's parlance, or defeasible and cancellable and non-factive in Grice's parlance (from Kiparsky) because not only the mechanical causal link is devious but because there is a MENS (mentire, Anglo-Saxon 'mean' -- but 'anima of the world' as it were, or Natura personfied, as per 'significatio PHYSEI not THESEI) -- notably from the gods who lived on Moutn Olympus almosdt touching Heaven -- True, the Romans thought of them as being udnerground rather. Input, Feedback? Yes. This is exactly the complication, and it is a good one. Grice’s distinction between natural and non-natural meaning tempts one to place Aratus very firmly on the natural side: dark clouds mean rain, the heliacal rising of a star means a season, this sky-sign means that weather will follow. That is the clean modern taxonomy. But ancient cosmological poetry, especially in a Stoic atmosphere, does not always leave the “natural” sign wholly free of mind. The cosmos can be orderly in such a way that signs are still physically connected and yet also expressive of providential reason. In other words, the sign may be natural in mechanism and still not be metaphysically mindless. That is where Jupiter comes in. In Aratus the opening hymn to Zeus is crucial. Zeus is not there merely as a decorative mythological preface. He is very close to the rational ordering principle of the cosmos, the one in whom all ways and all human markets and seas are full, and from whom signs of order become readable. So the phenomena are not yet “mere” brute appearances in a stripped modern causal universe. They are appearances in a world already saturated by divine rationality. That is not quite animism in the loose anthropological sense, but it is certainly not the later disenchantment either. Aratus can allow the weather-sign to be physically natural and still, at a higher level, part of a cosmos whose legibility depends on Zeus. Cicero’s own position makes the complication even more attractive. In De divinatione he is perfectly capable of examining signs as omens, portents, auguries, and probabilistic indicators in a Roman religious-political frame, while elsewhere treating causal or quasi-causal signs with philosophical reserve. So with Cicero one does not get a single flat doctrine of signs. One gets a layered world in which some signs are natural symptoms, some are conventional civic-religious signals, and some are interpreted as divine communications under inherited Roman practices. The crows of Romulus are an excellent example. They are not just birds in the sky. They are read as signs from above, and yet the interpretation is defeasible, contestable, and politically loaded. Number trumps priority only because an interpretive community, under pressure, lets that criterion triumph. That is already very close to your Gricean point: the sign is not merely given; it is taken, argued over, ranked, and made to bear authority. So one should not say that Aratus and the Latin translators are focusing on mere mechanical causal explanation. They are focusing on visible signs, yes, but visible signs within a cosmos where the divide between natural causality and divine intentionality is not yet policed in the later way. The Stoicized cosmos especially is full of sympathy, order, and providence. There the sign can be natural and still arise within a minded world. Nature herself is not dead mechanism, but rationally structured reality. If one personifies Nature, or speaks of the anima mundi, one is not simply falling into childish animism; one is articulating a metaphysical picture in which physical processes are already expressions of logos. This is why your Romulus example is so apt. The birds in the sky are not “non-natural meaning” in Grice’s strict later sense, because they are not utterances with audience-directed reflexive intentions. The crows are not trying to get Romulus to recognise that they intend him to found Rome. But neither are they only bare natural indicators like smoke of fire. They sit in an intermediate ancient category: signs interpreted within a religious-political practice as manifestations of divine favour or decision. That category is precisely what later philosophy often flattens. Grice’s own natural meaning category is wonderfully sharp, but it can be too clean for antiquity. “Those clouds mean rain” works because it excludes intention. Yet in an Aratean or Roman world one may still think that the regularity by which clouds mean rain is itself part of a world ordered by Zeus or Jupiter. The sign is natural at the level of mechanism, providential at the level of total explanation. The ancient mind often keeps both levels at once. As for factiveness and cancellability, again your point is strong. Ancient sign-reading lives amid defeasibility. Weather-signs may fail, auguries may conflict, omens may be re-read, prodigies may require expiation rather than simple prediction, and rival interpreters may privilege time, number, species, direction, or ritual frame differently. Cicero knows this very well. So even when signs are treated as divinely significant, their interpretation remains probabilistic, contestable, and socially governed. The gods may send; men still dispute what was sent. That is why your Romulus and Remus case is philosophically so rich: it is not only about revelation, but about adjudication. So the best way to put it may be this. Aratus gives you a universe of signs that are primarily natural in form but not necessarily mindless in metaphysical setting. Cicero, because of Roman divination, adds a whole civic-hermeneutic layer in which signs may be read as divine communications, yet always through institutions, disputes, and criteria of interpretation. Grice helps by distinguishing natural from non-natural meaning, but antiquity often occupies the middle territory where a sign is not a speaker’s intentional utterance and yet is not merely dead mechanism either. And that middle territory is exactly where providence, omen, augury, and cosmic order live. So yes, there is a mens complication, but not usually in the form “the cloud intends to tell me it will rain.” Rather, the complication is that the cloud may belong to a world whose order itself is divine or rational, so that natural signification and cosmic mind are not finally separable. That is more Stoic providentialism than simple animism. If you like, I can next tighten this into a three-part distinction using your own examples: clouds and rain, Romulus’s crows, and a human utterance, to show exactly where Grice’s natural meaning stops and where the ancient religious sign begins.

 

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Turco – Ossia: Grice e Turco: la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’agnella, commedia nuova. Note sull’Agnella. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice Carlo Turco (Asola, Mantova, Lombardia): Institutionally, Carlo Turco and H. P. Grice belong to very different worlds. Grice’s formula is exact in the Oxford sense. Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s means a college office with tutorials, students, and membership in the governing life of the college. CUF University Lecturer in philosophy means a university-wide appointment in the faculty structure. So Grice combines the two characteristic Oxford functions: college tutor and university lecturer. Carlo Turco, by contrast, belongs to the civic-humanist and theatrical world of sixteenth-century Asola and Venice. He was a nobleman, local office-holder, advocate, orator, and man of letters in the orbit of Venetian civic culture and print, not a don, not a fellow, and not a university lecturer in the Oxford or modern Italian chair sense. His institutional life is the world of occasion, performance, local politics, patronage, and print. So the clean institutional contrast is this. Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate and university-faculty world. Turco belongs to the civic-humanist, performative, and print-theatrical world of the late Renaissance. That institutional difference fits your philosophical comparison very well. Grice works at the micro-level of rational communication: how a hearer gets from what is said to what is meant by recognising intentions and inferring implicatures under shared norms. Turco, by contrast, works in a medium where indirection is public, staged, and genre-governed from the start. In commedia nuova, the audience is expected to read implication not because the speaker is obeying or exploiting a conversational maxim in an ordinary dyadic exchange, but because theatrical convention, topicality, decorum, and comic prudence require meanings to travel by disguise, stereotype, innuendo, and role. So the sharpest formulation is this. Grice explains how conversation can mean more than it literally says. Turco shows how theatre can mean more than it literally stages. That is why your treatment of Agnella works so well. The title itself already performs an implicatural trick: Agnella sounds innocent, pastoral, harmless, and then the dramatis personae reveal Agnella as a ruffiana. The audience is meant to feel the gap between title and function, purity and management, lamb and broker. That is not Gricean implicature in the strict sense, but it is a perfect example of theatrical meaning routed through public expectation and controlled deniability. Your own draft also rightly isolates the important movement in the Argomento: women as audience and shield, wolves as critics or moralists, the lamb as title and protective joke, and then the sudden “Eccovi appunto il Napoletano” as a stagey acknowledgement of comic type. That is the economy of Renaissance comic pragmatics in miniature. There is one bibliographical point in your note that is especially useful. You correctly warn that the citation to a 1890 Studi di filosofia del diritto belongs to another Carlo Turco and should not be mixed with the Renaissance dramatist. That clarification is exactly right and should be kept. There are only two minor cautions. First, “Mantova, Lombardia” should be treated carefully, because Asola’s political setting in Turco’s time is Venetian rather than simply modern Lombard in the institutional sense. Second, the final imprint “Venezia: Manuzio” should be checked against the exact early printed edition if you are preparing a final dossier entry, since the Venetian print trail and the relation to Aldine or related names can easily become muddled. So the short clean answer is: H. P. Grice was an Oxford don in the precise collegiate sense, both Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s College and CUF University Lecturer in philosophy at Oxford. Carlo Turco, by contrast, was a late Renaissance civic-humanist dramatist and local public man, active in the performative and print culture of Asola and Venice rather than in any tutorial-collegiate or professorial institution. Institutionally, Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate world; Turco to the theatrical and civic-humanist world. Philosophically, the contrast is equally clear: Grice analyses the inferential micro-mechanics of speaker-meaning and implicature, whereas Turco exemplifies a public comic pragmatics in which title, role, stereotype, and occasion guide the audience toward meanings that are hinted, staged, and socially managed rather than directly asserted. And if I compress it into one line: Grice theorises how speakers imply; Turco stages how comedy implies. If you want, I can now give you a tighter one-paragraph entry in your preferred style, using Agnella alone as the anchor and dropping every possible ambiguity with the modern Carlo Turco.la ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale dell’agnella, commedia nuova –commedia nuova, agnella. Grice’s reason-governed conversational meaning explains how hearers recover more than is said by assuming cooperative rationality (maxims) and then inferring implicatures from what a speaker chooses to say, how they say it, and what they conspicuously leave unsaid. With Carlo Turco (Asola, Venetian-Lombard civic-humanist milieu) the nearest meaningful contrast is that his “Agnella” and the broader commedia nuova setting treat meaning as a public, rhetorical-civic art: wit, stagecraft, topical allusion, and socially legible understatement are not primarily the by-products of a cooperative inferential calculus but resources for negotiating reputation, patronage, and communal identity in performance, where audiences are trained to read between the lines because the genre depends on it. So if Grice models implicature as a principled, reconstructible inference under norms of rational conversation, a Turco-style “implicature” is better understood as theatrical/rhetorical pragmatics: what is meant is deliberately routed through comic indirection, decorum, and shared cultural scripts (who may be mocked, how, and with what safe deniability), with the “reason” governing uptake being less the Gricean logic of maxims than the Renaissance discipline of prudence and occasion (what can be hinted rather than asserted in a public forum). One important caveat from what can be checked: the biographical-literary Turco you describe (Agnella staged at Asola; links to Manuzio; Venetian offices; Cinquecento imprint trail) does not match the citation you append (Turco, Carlo (1890). Studi di filosofia del diritto, Torino: Fratelli Bocca), which looks like a different, modern author; so any clean Grice/Turco comparison should either (a) be explicitly framed as “Turco the Renaissance dramatist/orator” or (b) split into two entries if there are two Carlo Turco figures. Nasce da una anticha e nobile famiglie, allora fiorente cittadina della Repubblica di Venezia, dove ricopre importanti cariche politiche in qualità di deputato, oratore e avvocato della comunità.  La sua prima opera, un dialogo, “Agnella”, venne rappresentato ad Asola durante i festeggiamenti per la visita dei duchi di Nemours e Beaulieu e altri illustri francesi al loro seguito. “Agnella” venne in pubblicata in seguito prima a Treviso, poi a Venezia. Contemporaneo ed amico di MANUZIO che in una lettera encomia la sua canzone in lode di Carlo V scritta in occasione della morte di quest'ultimo. Scrive: Letta la vostra canzone scritta in morte del Gran Carlo V, veramente Signor Carlo onorato, non troppo benigna stella, essendo voi dotato di si pellegrino ingegno e di tante altre lodevoli qualità, vi condanna a scrivere dove tra molte tenebre non può risplendere la vostra virtù, con la quale potevate illustrare voi stesso ed il secolo nostro eccitando in altri il desiderio di assomigliarvi. Laddove hora, avendo voi il campo ristretto per esercitare le vostre più nobili parti, non veggo come possano apparire effetti degni di voi ed alla vostra nobile industria corrispondenti. Questa lettera è in seguito stampata in Venezia da Gavardo che, sempre a Venezia, pubblica una tragedia in versi, intitolata “Calestri”. Altre opere sono stampate anche in Il Sepolcro de la illustre signora Beatrice di Dorimbergo, Brescia Fabbio, Mangini, Storie Asolane, Lettera di MANUZIO a Turchi, Lett. Volg. Venezia. commedia nuova, agnella. G: 1935. You look overdressed. S: For once, I’m dressed for the occasion. You’re dressed as if you’re going to cross-examine the usher. G: If the usher claims the play is nuova, he deserves it. S: We’re going to the theatre. G: Allegedly. S: What for? G: To see what you have insisted on calling a “commedia nuova.” S: Why not read the thing here? G: Because a comedy read aloud in a corridor becomes a punishment. S: What thing? G: The thing you’re holding like contraband: Agnella. S: The commedia recitata. G: Recitata in Asola, yes, long ago, when French dukes needed Italian jokes. S: By who? G: Turco. S: Carlo Turco. The Asolano. G: That is the one. S: And the name is Agnella. G: Yes. Which is either pastoral innocence or a very practical label for bait. S: I rather like it. Agnella. Soft. Harmless. G: Until you read the dramatis personae. S: I have. It’s full of sharp objects. G: Read the Argomento again, without the bruises. S: Here. You wanted the Italian clean. I cleaned it as best I could without turning it into Tuscan. G: Proceed. S: “Hora havete l’Argomento della Comedia, che farà di piacere; cosa nuova, e di nuovo Auttore vostro Asolano, e di tutti suoi seratissimo, ma sopra modo di voi, gratiosissime Donne: segnale, pigliando protettione di voler diffender la Comedia da’ morsi de’ lupi rapaci (s’alcun ve ne fosse). L’Auttore si contenta che si chiami l’Agnella, dalla purità di una buona femina, che fatto quel nome conserva la sua parte del maschio. Eccovi appunto il Napoletano.” G: That last line is the best stage direction I’ve seen all week. “Here you have the Neapolitan.” S: So the frame is: ladies, wolves, lamb. G: And then immediately a Neapolitan scholar. S: That’s the part I like. It’s like a pastoral that forgets its sheep and remembers its stereotypes. G: The sheep is not the sheep. The sheep is a title. S: I assumed Agnella was the innocent girl. G: Look at the list. S: “AGNELLA, Roffiana.” G: Exactly. Your innocent lamb is a procuress. S: That is disappointing. G: No, that is Renaissance comedy. S: So why call the procuress Agnella? G: Because the author is making a joke about purity while describing its management. S: You mean: the lamb is the handler of wolves. G: Precisely. “Defender la Comedia da’ morsi de’ lupi rapaci.” Wolves are critics, censors, moralists, perhaps rivals. And the author says: I will protect my lamb from wolves. S: But the lamb is a ruffiana. A professional wolf-trainer. G: You see the economy of the joke. S: It’s not new; it’s just cheeky. G: That is why it is called nuova. Not because the plot is new, but because the author flatters the audience. S: The audience being “gratiosissime Donne.” G: Yes. And note the tactic: the women are both patrons and alibi. If the wolves bite, the author can say he wrote for ladies. S: So I can play Agnella, then. G: You can, but you will have to keep your pitch high. S: High like a lamb? G: High like someone pretending to be a lamb. S: Fine. I’ll play Agnella. You play all the rest. G: That is exactly the kind of casting a man suggests when he does not intend to rehearse. S: But what is the thing about? G: The argomento gives you one hinge: Pietro loves a cortigiana, Lamia; Lamia loves him back; but she believes Limpido is in love with her. S: Limpido is not in the list. G: Which tells you he is either offstage, or a confusion, or a printer’s ghost. S: Or the author forgot his own lover. G: Also possible. But the triangle is standard: mistaken belief about who loves whom. S: Then the Neapolitan arrives. G: Giannuccio, “Scolar Napoletano.” With his boy, Chiappino. S: And Lamia is the courtesan. G: Yes. Then Eugenio is the young lover. Lélio his friend. Bermondo a Spaniard. Stilpone, which sounds like a club you hit people with. S: Emilio, a Vecchio, and his wife Flaminia. G: Plus servants: Clitia and Sergio. S: And Flavia, the stepdaughter: “figliuola adottiva d’Emilio, giovane innamorata.” G: So we have at least two “young in love” people: Eugenio and Marcio, plus Flavia. S: Marcio is “giovine innamorato.” With his boy, Amichino. G: And Agapito is Marcio’s father, old. S: So fathers, lovers, a courtesan, a procuress, a parasite. G: Bolza, “parassito.” Every comedy needs a parasite the way every Oxford dinner needs someone who has run out of income. S: You’re saying the structure is stock. G: Entirely. That is why your complaint about “nuova” is correct. S: Then why go to the theatre at all? G: Because in 1935 the alternative is to have you recite it in my rooms, and I would rather face the stalls. S: We could compare it to Gilbert and Sullivan. G: Patience beats it any day. S: Or The Quaker Girl. G: A musical comedy has the decency to admit it is trying to please you. S: This one admits it too: “che farà di piacere.” G: That line is honest. It promises pleasure and nothing else. S: Then you should approve. G: I approve of honesty. I do not approve of pretending that pleasure is novelty. S: You said earlier the sheep is a title, not a sheep. G: Yes. And the subtitle logic you like so much is here as well. The author narrows and narrows: not just a comedy, but a comedy under protection; not just protection, but protection from wolves; not just wolves, but wolves “if any there be,” which is the traditional clause of polite paranoia. S: Like saying “I mean no offence,” just before offending. G: Exactly. A prophylactic. S: And the women are invoked as protectors. G: As audience, as judge, as shield. S: “Sopra modo di voi, gratiosissime Donne.” He prefers them above all. G: That is the line you write when you suspect the wolves are men. S: So Agnella is named from purity, but she is a ruffiana. G: Which is the real novelty: purity as a brand-name rather than a moral property. S: That’s rather modern. G: Yes. It is the sort of modernity you never want to admit is old. S: So how do we stage it as we walk? G: You will ask me who you are. S: I am Agnella. G: You are a ruffiana called Agnella “dalla purità di una buona femina.” S: So I must be pure and impure at once. G: You must be impure in function and pure in marketing. S: And you are everyone else. G: I refuse. I will be the Napoletano. S: Giannuccio? G: Yes. Scholars at least have the excuse of being ridiculous. S: Then who will be Lamia? G: You, if you insist on doing two roles and ruining the evening. S: I’ll stick to Agnella. I shall be the lamb with teeth. G: Good. Now tell me the line again that amused you: “conserva la sua parte del maschio.” S: That a good woman, having taken that name, keeps her male part. G: Meaning: she keeps authority, agency, perhaps audacity. S: Or just that she runs the men. G: Exactly. The lamb’s “male part” is control. S: That’s why the wolves won’t bite her. G: They bite, but she bites back. S: The author is asking the ladies to protect the play from wolves. Yet he gives them a wolf-tamer named lamb. G: There you have your whole argument. S: So the thing is not really about sheep. G: It is about who gets to call whom a sheep. S: And the Naples scholar is there to give dialect and jokes. G: And to deliver the opening “Eccovi appunto il Napoletano,” like a garnish. S: You keep saying it as if it’s a punchline. G: It is. It is the author admitting he is about to entertain. S: Then perhaps it is new after all. G: It is new only in the way every old trick is new to someone who has never been mugged by it. S: You’re in a mood, G. G: I have read too many “nuove” comedies. S: Then why did you agree to come? G: Because you said you’d play Agnella. S: That was flattery. G: I am vulnerable to flattery only when it promises silence later. S: Shall I practise my lamb voice? G: If you must. But keep it high. S: High, sir? G: High enough that the audience hears “purity,” and low enough that the plot hears “transaction.” S: That’s very Oxford. G: It is also very Venice, 1585, only they had better excuses. S: And after the play? G: After the play we shall go to a real theatre, as you suggested. S: Patience? G: If we can. S: Or The Quaker Girl. G: Anything where the music does some of the work, and the author does not call a parasite “new.” S: You will still complain. G: Naturally. But I will complain in tune.Grice: Caro Turco, devo confessarle un piccolo fallimento accademico. A Vadum Boum – la mia università, terra di barbari e di puritani – una volta tentai di mettere in scena una mia commedia alla Sheldonian. Ma si sa, lì il senso dell’umorismo è raro come un’agnella tra i lupi! Mi trattarono come un buffone, una vera burla: la mia opera fu repressa con la stessa severità con cui si vietano le risate nei giorni di pioggia.  Turco: Ah, Grice, mi fa sorridere! In Lombardia, a Asola, quando volevamo ridere ci inventavamo una “commedia nuova” – persino un’agnella avrebbe applaudito! Ma non si preoccupi: le repressioni puritane sono come la nebbia mantovana, basta aspettare un po’ e la scena si rischiara. Avrei voluto vedere la sua pièce: magari avremmo convinto anche i duchi di Nemours a battere le mani!  Grice: Immagino la Sheldonian invasa da agnelle e filosofi lombardi, tutti intenti a recitare versi e a sventolare fazzoletti. Ma sa, Turco, se avessi avuto il suo spirito lombardo e la sua nobile industria, forse sarei riuscito a far sorridere anche i professori più austeri. Però, qui da noi, il massimo dell’ironia è una tazza di tè senza zucchero!  Turco: Grice, allora le invio una “commedia nuova” per corrispondenza – con tanto di agnella protagonista! Così potrà mettere in scena le risate in barba ai barbari, e se qualcuno protesta, basta rispondere: “Non è burlesque, è filosofia... ma vestita da pecora!” D’altronde, come diceva Manuzio: tra molte tenebre, la virtù trova sempre il modo di risplendere. E una risata illumina più di un trattato! Turco, Carlo (1585). Agnella: comedia nuoua recitata in Asola nella venuta de gli ill.mi sig.ri il duca di Nemurs, il duca di Boglion, & altri illustriss. sig.ri. Venezia: Manuzio.

 

Speranza, J. L. (n. d.). ‘H. P. Grice e J. L. Speranza: La Conversazione – I Verbali: Turoldo – Ossia: Grice e Turoldo: le XII fatiche della ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale. Note sul poema nell’Uomo, giornale degl’uomini d’Italia. Il Gruppo di Gioco di H. P. Grice David Maria Giuseppe Turoldo (Coderno, Sedegliano, Udine, Friuli-Venezia Giulia): Institutionally, David Maria Turoldo is very different from Grice, though both are unmistakably figures of language and formation. Grice’s formula is exact in the Oxford sense. Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s means a college office with tutorials, students, and membership in the governing life of the college. CUF University Lecturer in philosophy means a university-wide appointment in the faculty structure. So Grice combines the two classic Oxford functions: college tutor and university lecturer. David Maria Turoldo belongs to a wholly different institutional ecology: the Servite religious order, wartime resistance, liturgical and prophetic speech, preaching, cultural activism, and only secondarily the university. He was born at Coderno di Sedegliano, entered the Servi di Maria, was ordained in 1940, worked in Milan, participated in the Resistance through the clandestine journal L’Uomo, and took a philosophy degree in 1946 with the thesis La fatica della ragione under Gustavo Bontadini. His first poetry collection, Io non ho mani, belongs to the immediate postwar phase and is treated by Treccani as the decisive first collection. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [dizionario...riulani.it] So the clean institutional contrast is this. Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate and university-faculty world. Turoldo belongs to the ecclesial, liturgical, resistant, and prophetic world, only touching the university through his degree and brief academic possibilities. [it.wikipedia.org], [pensierofi...aliano.org], [fraternita.arche.it] That institutional difference fits your philosophical comparison rather well. Grice works at the micro-level of rational communication: how a hearer gets from what is said to what is meant by recognising intentions and inferring implicatures under shared norms. Turoldo, by contrast, works at the macro-level of witness, vocation, liturgy, and resistance. His “word” is not primarily a contribution to a local exchange whose implicatures are to be calculated. It is a parola-atto, a charged ethical and prophetic utterance addressed to a community under pressure. The biographical sources emphasise exactly that his early poems were published in L’Uomo, the clandestine journal of resistance, and that the later Io non ho mani already treats poetic language as a privileged medium of communication and dialogue with other human beings. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [pensierofi...aliano.org] So the sharpest formulation is this. Grice explains how rational interlocutors recover what a speaker means in a local exchange. Turoldo exemplifies how a word can exceed ordinary exchange and become liturgical, prophetic, and communal action. [it.wikipedia.org], [pensierofi...aliano.org] That is why your comparison through “parola-atto” is genuinely apt. For Grice, the “extra” meaning beyond the sentence is inferentially tractable and answerable to conversational reason. For Turoldo, the “extra” is ethical and historical: silence, allusion, biblical cadence, and prophetic compression do not merely invite a hearer to calculate an implicature; they summon a listener to conversion, solidarity, or resistance. In that sense, both are anti-literalist about meaning, but they are anti-literalist in radically different registers. [it.wikipedia.org], [pensierofi...aliano.org], [treccani.it] There are two factual adjustments worth making. First, your bibliographic line “Turoldo, David Maria Giuseppe (1944). Poema. L’uomo: giornale degl’uomini d’Italia. Milano” should be treated cautiously. The secure facts are that L’Uomo was the clandestine periodical in which his earliest poems appeared during the Resistance, and that Io non ho mani in 1948 is the first collection securely anchored by Treccani. The exact title “Poema” in 1944 is not the strongest bibliographic anchor. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [dizionario...riulani.it] Second, the thesis title should be cited carefully as La fatica della ragione – Contributo per un’ontologia dell’uomo, which is consistently given in the biographical sources. [it.wikipedia.org], [biografieonline.it], [pensierofi...aliano.org] So the short clean answer is: H. P. Grice was an Oxford don in the precise collegiate sense, both Fellow and Tutor in philosophy at St John’s College and CUF University Lecturer in philosophy at Oxford. David Maria Turoldo, by contrast, was a Servite priest, resistance writer, theologian, and poet, active in the clandestine and liturgical-public sphere of wartime and postwar Italy rather than in the tutorial-collegiate world of Oxford. Institutionally, Grice belongs to the tutorial-collegiate world; Turoldo to the ecclesial and prophetic world. Philosophically, the contrast is equally clear: Grice analyses the inferential micro-mechanics of speaker-meaning and implicature, whereas Turoldo exemplifies a morally and historically charged conception of speech in which the surplus beyond literal content is grounded in witness, liturgy, biblical cadence, and communal urgency rather than in a calculable theory of conversational inference. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it], [pensierofi...aliano.org] And if I compress it into one line: Grice theorises how speakers imply; Turoldo exemplifies how a word becomes witness. [it.wikipedia.org], [treccani.it] If you want, I can now give you a tighter one-paragraph entry in your preferred style, using Io non ho mani and La fatica della ragione as the two main anchors.le XII fatiche della ragione conversazionale e l’implicatura conversazionale – Grice’s theory of reason-governed conversational meaning makes “what is meant” a disciplined, inferential achievement: interlocutors presume cooperative rationality (maxims, relevance, sufficiency, etc.), and implicature is what a hearer can responsibly work out from what is said plus the assumption that the speaker is playing the conversational game in good faith. With David Maria Turoldo the centre of gravity shifts from inference to vocation: his earliest public “word” is explicitly cast as parola-atto, a liturgical and prophetic medium of communication and dialogue with other human beings, and this is anchored biographically in wartime Milan, where he helped produce the clandestine resistance periodical L’Uomo and where his first book of poetry is Io non ho mani (Milano: Bompiani; Treccani treats this as the first collection), while his philosophical formation includes a laurea thesis titled La fatica della ragione (Bontadini). So, whereas Grice models conversational reason as a set of publicly tractable norms that generate implicatures (often by understatement, silence, or apparent irrelevance), Turoldo treats “ragione” less as calculability and more as a moral-spiritual labour enacted in and through address—his “dialogue” aims to change lives, sustain resistance, and found solidarity; implicature, in that setting, is not primarily a technical by-product of maxim-observance but the charged surplus of prophetic speech, where what is unsaid (silence, allusion, biblical cadence) is ethically and communally loaded. The overlap is that both are anti-literalists about meaning (both rely on what exceeds the sentence), but the contrast is decisive: Grice’s excess is justified by rational reconstruction within conversational cooperation; Turoldo’s excess is justified by witness, liturgy, and historical urgency, where the “reason” that governs speech is as much imperative and communal as it is inferential. la ragione. The phrase ‘Grice italo’ is meant as provocative. An Old-World philosopher such as Turoldo would never have imagined to be compared to a tutor at a varsity in one of the British Isles, but there you are! It is meant as a geo-political reminder, too. Many Italian philosophers have been educated in a tradition that would make little sense of Turoldo as a ‘Grice italo,’ but there you are. My note is meant as a tribute to both philosophers. Grice has been deemed an extremely original philosopher, and by Oxford canons he certainly was. He was the primus inter pares at the Play Group, the epitome of ordinary-language philosophy throughout most of the twentieth century. His heritage remains. Turoldo’s place in the history of philosophy is other. But there are connections, and here they are -- Poeta, nato a Coderno del Friuli. Sacerdote nella congregazione dei Servi di Maria, pubblicò le sue prime poesie durante la Resistenza nella rivista clandestina L'uomo. Sin dalla sua prima raccolta, Io non ho mani, non ancora scevra di forti reminiscenze letterarie, si fa strada la sua più segreta e autentica vena di poeta che intende usare la parola lirica come momento privilegiato di comunicazione e di dialogo con gli altri uomini: parola nel senso più alto, liturgico del termine. Ammonizione biblica e tragedie storiche dell'uomo moderno, profezia e realtà, tendono a riconciliarsi nell'unità della lingua poetica. Questi caratteri della poesia turoldiana si affermano e si estendono, superando iniziali motivi legati a un'individuale condizione dello spirito, a partire soprattutto d’oro (con “Ritratto d’autore” Servitium, e poi la morte dell'ultimo teologo Torino, Gribaudi. “Gli ultimi” Regia: Pandolfi; soggetto: T.; sceneggiatura: Pandolfi e T.. gl’ultimi, le XII fatiche della ragione.  S: Room 39. G: Yes. S: In the Admiralty. G: Also yes. S: And you are reading a poem. G: I am reading lines. S: With your lips moving. G: That is what lines are for, if you are not merely counting them. S: Where is it from? G: Milan. S: Milan is not usually a bibliographic address. G: It was not meant to be. S: Then where? G: From L’uomo. S: L’uomo. That is the title of the poem? G: No. S: The journal, then? G: Yes. S: L’uomo. That sounds magnificently universal. G: It does. S: But it goes on, doesn’t it. I see you frowning at the next words like a man being asked to pay for rhetoric. G: It has a subtitle. S: Of course it does. G: Giornale degli uomini. S: Degli. G: Degli. S: Not “di uomini,” but “degli uomini.” Already a narrowing, you might say. G: One could say. One could even say it is a partitive with social ambitions. S: Is that all? G: No. S: It gets worse. G: It gets safer. S: Goes on: d’Italia. G: Exactly. S: So the universal “man” becomes “the men,” and then “the men of Italy.” G: Two successive restrictors. S: Like watching a balloon deflate politely. G: Like watching a quantifier acquire a passport. S: So what is it, really. A clandestine paper. G: Yes. S: In 1944. G: The surviving run is dated 1944–45, yes. S: Then why is it on your desk? G: Because you have enemies who like to call their work “universal,” and allies who have to call their work “Italian” to avoid being shot. S: That’s an awfully tidy distinction. G: Whitehall is, above all, tidy in its distinctions. Untidy in its corridors. S: And Turoldo. G: The name is on the sheet that came with it. S: Turoldo is Lombard? G: No. Friulian by birth. S: Yet in Milan. G: Yes. S: So he is a northerner printing in Lombardy for “the men of Italy,” which sounds like nationalism by necessity, not by enthusiasm. G: That is one good reading. S: And he wrote the poem? G: If you want to call it a poem. S: Loaded poetry, then. G: If by “loaded” you mean it carries more than it says. S: I mean it carries a small explosive. G: In that sense too. A clandestine paper is always a poem with a fuse. S: Read me a bit. G: I will not read you the whole thing. I refuse to make Room 39 into a salon. S: Then just enough to prove it is not a grocery list. G: It is not a grocery list. S: That is not a quotation. G: No, but it is the best possible summary of poetry in wartime. S: Fine. What is the poem about, then, if we have to imagine it. G: Suppose it is about Milan. S: That is not a daring supposition. G: Suppose it is about the city being strong while trying not to look strong. S: That’s closer. G: Suppose it is about men who have no uniforms, only habits. S: Resistance as habit. G: Resistance as cooperation under threat. S: Your favourite topic. G: It is not a favourite topic. It is simply the only one that remains when the others become luxuries. S: And you like the title because it is illogical. G: It is not illogical. It is overdetermined. S: It begins with “the human,” then restricts to “the men,” then restricts to “of Italy.” G: Exactly. The form is: start with a grand universal term to claim moral scope, then insert a definite article to create a community, then insert a genitive to anchor the community politically. S: Like “Man, namely the men, namely the Italian men.” G: Yes, except they likely meant “uomini” as humans in general. But the grammatical narrowing still does its work. S: Does it contradict itself? G: It corrects itself. S: That is a charitable word for retreat. G: In wartime, retreat is sometimes the only way to advance. S: You are going to tell me this is like one of your maxims. G: No. It is like one of yours: do not attract attention you cannot survive. S: Where exactly in Lombardy were they printing? G: The imprint is suppressed. The catalog says “no place given.” S: Convenient. G: Necessary. S: So “L’uomo” is a title without an address, and “degli uomini d’Italia” is a subtitle with a border. G: Yes. A border with no street number. S: And Turoldo. Why does that name matter to us? G: Because if we are ever tempted to imagine “Italy” is merely a theatre of operations, this reminds us there are people inside it producing words under penalties. S: Words are cheap. G: Not when the paper is clandestine. S: You have read clandestine papers before, I take it. G: In this building, you are never far from paper that wished it were invisible. S: And why the poem? G: Because poetry is a convenient delivery system for courage. It looks ornamental until you notice what it smuggles. S: That sounds like your “implicature” again. G: It is an old trick. Poets did it before philosophers gave it a Latin name. S: Then explain to me, in your manner, what the subtitle implies. G: It implies: we speak for man, but we must limit the “we” if we want the speaking to continue. S: So the universal claim is a flag, and the narrow claim is camouflage. G: Precisely. S: And the two narrowers. Degli, then d’Italia. G: Degli is a social delimiter. D’Italia is a political delimiter. S: You said earlier it is like a quantifier. G: If you insist on symbols: L’uomo looks like it wants to quantify over all humans. The subtitle restricts the domain twice: first to a determinate set, “the men,” then to a national subset, “of Italy.” S: So: instead of ∀x Human(x), it becomes ∀x (Italian(x) and Human(x)). G: Something like that, yes, though I would not accuse an Italian clandestine editor of doing predicate logic in the margin. S: Why not? Italians do margins better than we do. G: They do. But they also have to run from them. S: And what is “strong Milano” to you, sitting here? G: It is the uncomfortable proof that courage can be organized without a War Office. S: Which is why it concerns the Admiralty. G: It concerns anyone trying to model cooperation. The Resistance is a case study in coordination when communication is risky. S: So you will treat the poem as intelligence. G: No. S: Why not? G: Because intelligence, in this building, means a file and a source and a rating. Poetry refuses to be rated. S: Yet you read it anyway. G: Yes. Because even in Room 39 you sometimes need to remember that not all messages are ours to classify. S: So what will you do with it? G: I will do what the subtitle teaches. I will not universalize. S: Meaning? G: Meaning: I will not say “this is Man.” I will say: this is a particular Italian man writing under occupation, and that specificity is the point. S: And your punchline? G: The punchline is that the paper calls itself L’uomo, but the safest thing it ever did was add d’Italia.Grice: Caro Turoldo, quando ho letto delle “XII fatiche della ragione conversazionale”, ho immaginato una ragione vestita da Ercole, pronta a sollevare pesi filosofici e affrontare mostri logici. Mi dica, quali sono queste dodici imprese che la ragione deve compiere? Si parte dal leone di Nemea o dall'idra di Lerna… o forse dalle insidie della metafora?  Turoldo: Ah, Grice, lei ha colto lo spirito! In Friuli la ragione non si limita a combattere mostri classici, ma si cimenta in dodici veri “dialoghi eroici”: 1) Capire il prossimo, 2) Domare il silenzio, 3) Affrontare la contraddizione, 4) Trovare il senso nascosto, 5) Sconfiggere il pregiudizio, 6) Superare l’ambiguità, 7) Resistere alla tentazione del monologo, 8) Abbracciare la diversità, 9) Riconoscere il dubbio, 10) Coltivare la pazienza, 11) Trasformare il conflitto in crescita, 12) Cercare la verità, ma senza mai dimenticare una battuta pronta!  Grice: Turoldo, che elenco straordinario! Se Ercole avesse avuto la sua lista, forse avrebbe preferito lottare contro le bestie piuttosto che contro le sfide della conversazione. Complimenti: la sua ragione è davvero muscolosa, ma anche dotata di fine ironia – e non c’è nulla di più eroico che cercare la verità sorridendo!  Turoldo: Grice, lei mi rende fiero come un friulano davanti al grappolo d’uva! In fondo, le fatiche della ragione sono come quelle di Ercole: si affrontano una ad una, spesso senza sapere se si arriverà alla fine. Ma, come diceva mio nonno, “l’importante è non perdere il sorriso, nemmeno davanti al leone… o al filosofo inglese!” Turoldo, David Maria Giuseppe (1944). Poema. L’uomo: giornale degl’uomini d’Italia.  Milano